Bus Bunching Spotting/Observation
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At 1408hr along Wlands Ave 3 last busstop before entering WRI, SMB1525G, SMB1548R & SMB1584K bunched on 187... SMB1525G was only with 3 pax when I boarded at that last stop... BC abit dulan when he was 1st in the queue and because of me, he became 2nd while SMB1548R became 1st & SMB1584K 3rd...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
During certain time in AM peak, there is a bus every 05 mins to Serangoon. Maybe because of that bunching will be more common.
I remember 3 years back sv 43 had a horrible frequency of 20-22 minutes with only 17 buses, out of which only 2 DDs. Huge huge improvement since those days!! Now totally 27 buses...
Today, bus arrival towards Punggol from Yio Chu Kang Rd at 1pm was:
43: Next Bus: 26 min (WAB) (Unknown, should be non-WAB) Sub Bus: 32 min (WAB) (SBS3004X)*
43M: Next Bus: 17 min (WAB) (SBS6499G) Sub Bus: 31 min (WAB) (SBS3434M)*
The first bus 43 was supposed to arrive at 1:20 pm. The subsequent bus was supposed to arrive at 1.40 pm. One bus early, another bus late. This could be the cause of frequent bunching.
*Regos are according to schedule. There may be cameos.
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43,45,58,291 & 354 all bunching..1-2 mins apart..
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SMB3520G, SMB5020U & SMB3526R bunched up at NUS Stadium busstop this evening around 1720hr... All 3 were fully seated, with SMB3520G & SMB5020U almost max load... Good timing to deploy 3 E500s together with 5-10 secs gap after Normanton Park/Portsdown Rd...
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
SMB3520G, SMB5020U & SMB3526R bunched up at NUS Stadium busstop this evening around 1720hr... All 3 were fully seated, with SMB3520G & SMB5020U almost max load... Good timing to deploy 3 E500s together with 5-10 secs gap after Normanton Park/Portsdown Rd...
and more will board bus at NUH and ITE Dover. These two stops have lot of pax boarding sv 963.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
and more will board bus at NUH and ITE Dover. These two stops have lot of pax boarding sv 963.
Yah, both 3526R & 5020U cleared them...
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Today PM, two sv 70 buses bunch together along YCK Link towards Serangoon. First was SD that was packed with many standees, followed with WEG that also from outside seemed to have good loading (must be 50-60 pax).
Was surprised to see that kind of high loading on 2 buses on sv 70 in opposite direction to peak direction.
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svc 291 bunching very common every day. you have two double decker come together. now peop confuse. go in first or second. yet all go first. back double decker go empty. y no the back double decker overtake the crowded one in front?
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
svc 291 bunching very common every day. you have two double decker come together. now peop confuse. go in first or second. yet all go first. back double decker go empty. y no the back double decker overtake the crowded one in front?
This is a classic problem here. Even if you see the same number bus right behind, still everyone want to push and squeeze into the first one. Better what, the BC in bus behind will not overtake the bus in front. Bus 1 will be late, bus 2 will tag along, soon bus 3 will come and kiss them. Classic bunching because of commuter and BC behaviors. I have observed this pattern multiple times during AM peak with sv 147. You see 3 DDs coming together like a small train.
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Even as a commuter i would go for bus 1 coz bus 2 is either too early or early in schedule and bus 2 will tend to stop at some bus stop wait for 2-3 mins before moving off while bus 1 is maybe 2 bus stops away as bus 2 need follow schedule mah. Bus 1 already late bo pian lor, just drive fast or kpkb just follow the flow
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Even as a commuter i would go for bus 1 coz bus 2 is either too early or early in schedule and bus 2 will tend to stop at some bus stop wait for 2-3 mins before moving off while bus 1 is maybe 2 bus stops away as bus 2 need follow schedule mah. Bus 1 already late bo pian lor, just drive fast or kpkb just follow the flow
If i were u, I would choose the bus with the lesser pax=lesser alighting. But I knncb when BC just wait like hell when schedule beep liao late still slow.... haiz
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Even as a commuter i would go for bus 1 coz bus 2 is either too early or early in schedule and bus 2 will tend to stop at some bus stop wait for 2-3 mins before moving off while bus 1 is maybe 2 bus stops away as bus 2 need follow schedule mah. Bus 1 already late bo pian lor, just drive fast or kpkb just follow the flow
What if Bus 2 overtake Bus 1 and bunch at a bus stop. than Bus 1 overtake again?
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Preferably, I would like if bus 2 overtakes bus 1 and bus 1 BC realizing his bus is already full should allow bus 2 to easily overtake bus 1.
Bcoz if bus 1 does not do that it will get further delayed. Bus 2 in this case can help bus 1 to go faster and in turn avoid long delays.
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Very frequently, a 43/43M SD will appear, followed by a 43/43M DD in 2 mins. This doesn't just happen during peak, but also sometimes during off-peak.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Preferably, I would like if bus 2 overtakes bus 1 and bus 1 BC realizing his bus is already full should allow bus 2 to easily overtake bus 1.
Bcoz if bus 1 does not do that it will get further delayed. Bus 2 in this case can help bus 1 to go faster and in turn avoid long delays.
Even if the front bus is a SD, half of the passengers will still board the front bus, based on my observations.
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I always board the DD bus if a SD and a DD both arrive together, but if there are two SDs or DDs, I will board the bus which is less crowded.
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4 bus bunch on service 199 on 180215 @ 0930 at the circle near to NTU Jalan Bahar entrance towards BL (the circle aft Hall 11 stop)..
They were in this sequence: SBS9548D, SBS3120T, SBS7402D, SBS3129U
SBS3070D passed by them in the opposite direction. All 4 BC signalled something to SBS3070D BC. SBS9548D BC signalled a tired expression (probably late), SBS3120T BC smiled, SBS7402D BC used his hand and showed 4 and pointed to the back (possibly meaning 4 buses together), SBS3129U BC shaking his hand (meaning no passengers)...quite funny...
By the way, SBS3070D should be behind SBS3129U...and all 4 buses were close to empty coz they are exiting NTU in the morning and not many people will take 199 out of NTU in the morning..but SBS3070D is packed...
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27/2/2015:
4 Service 157 bunch together (SBS5209J and SBS3227U bunch at Lorong 4 Toa Payoh, SBS8736J and SBS2611A bunch at Jurong West Avenue 1. SBS2611A then overtook SBS8736J)
28/2/2015:
2:32pm: 2 Service 50 bunch together. SBS3320H then overtook SBS3322C
3:59pm: 2 Service 961 bunch together at Beach Road
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Major bus bunching on sv 190 at Somerset MRT between 21.05 and 21.15
21.05 - SMB1464 (bus came with standee and around 5-6 pax boarded, others went for DD behind)
21.05 - SMB5033 (18 pax boarded)
21.06 - TIB894U (this bus was bendy downroute from Somerset MRT, was waiting in the bus lane for 4-5 minutes). There was a lady ground staff at Somerset MRT stop taking notes. She got really angry at BC because could see her telling him that why did he start bus when there was a SD and DD right ahead. I think he said it was his scheduled time. Not a single pax boarded bus, but during conversation one lady went to board, saw bus totally empty and did not. Bus left stop totally empty as there was another bus right behind.
21.07 - unknown MANA22.. I think number was ending with 33 but could be wrong as it came and there was a 174 that stuck to it very close, so could not read. But 2 pax boarded (incl lady who did not board bendy)
21.11 - SMB5011X (around 14 pax boarded)
21.14 - SMB5038U (around 12 pax boarded bus)
So 6 buses in a span of 09 minutes, that is less than 2 mins frequency between buses.
I am sure commuters on 190 not complaining anymore. Between all this only 1 972 DD came that seemed to be fully seated and around 8 pax boarded bus.
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What 190 need is convert those 5 SD slots to DD and gradually convert all bendy to DD when the A95 coming in..972 so far excellent,No complain!700 maintain as it was..On the other hand 187 need 8 SD convert to DD.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Major bus bunching on sv 190 at Somerset MRT between 21.05 and 21.15
21.05 - SMB1464 (bus came with standee and around 5-6 pax boarded, others went for DD behind)
21.05 - SMB5033 (18 pax boarded)
21.06 - TIB894U (this bus was bendy downroute from Somerset MRT, was waiting in the bus lane for 4-5 minutes). There was a lady ground staff at Somerset MRT stop taking notes. She got really angry at BC because could see her telling him that why did he start bus when there was a SD and DD right ahead. I think he said it was his scheduled time. Not a single pax boarded bus, but during conversation one lady went to board, saw bus totally empty and did not. Bus left stop totally empty as there was another bus right behind.
21.07 - unknown MANA22.. I think number was ending with 33 but could be wrong as it came and there was a 174 that stuck to it very close, so could not read. But 2 pax boarded (incl lady who did not board bendy)
21.11 - SMB5011X (around 14 pax boarded)
21.14 - SMB5038U (around 12 pax boarded bus)
So 6 buses in a span of 09 minutes, that is less than 2 mins frequency between buses.
I am sure commuters on 190 not complaining anymore. Between all this only 1 972 DD came that seemed to be fully seated and around 8 pax boarded bus.
Hmm..true..but could also mean other areas have longer waiting time.. For example: Just now around 8 plus at night at bukit panjang (blk 184), i missed TIB1215Z (fully seated with few standees) and had to wait for around 10 mins before SMB5013R came, fully packed upon arrival and fully seated with few standees upon leaving stop..Well, just saying..coz 190 is like that...traffic conditions along Chinatown and Orchard can cause many buses to bunch, similarly may also cause extended waiting time. Also, do realise even though they bunch, the number of pax picked up is still significant..so if the wait is extended, the bus (even DDs) will not be able to take in all pax, esp when the bus reaches Thong Teck Buliding...
Therefore, i agree with user carbikebus, its not about the number of buses, its the capacity of the buses...SMRT should stop deploying MAN A22 on 190... i will often see 190 buses (bendy or rigids alike) full by the Lot One stop towards NBR, normally if the wait is more than 10 mins (especially Sundays).
Well, im not complaining though, so cheers :)
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Originally posted by SMB42P:
Hmm..true..but could also mean other areas have longer waiting time.. For example: Just now around 8 plus at night at bukit panjang (blk 184), i missed TIB1215Z (fully seated with few standees) and had to wait for around 10 mins before SMB5013R came, fully packed upon arrival and fully seated with few standees upon leaving stop..Well, just saying..coz 190 is like that...traffic conditions along Chinatown and Orchard can cause many buses to bunch, similarly may also cause extended waiting time. Also, do realise even though they bunch, the number of pax picked up is still significant..so if the wait is extended, the bus (even DDs) will not be able to take in all pax, esp when the bus reaches Thong Teck Buliding...
Therefore, i agree with user carbikebus, its not about the number of buses, its the capacity of the buses...SMRT should stop deploying MAN A22 on 190... i will often see 190 buses (bendy or rigids alike) full by the Lot One stop towards NBR, normally if the wait is more than 10 mins (especially Sundays).
Well, im not complaining though, so cheers :)
Agree. All I am saying is sv 190 frequency and capacity has been beefed up in a good way. I keep pulling shots at SMRT for lousy operations on 172/187/851/857. But in this case, SMRT has taken serious steps to improve sv 190 and it is visible.
So a job well done. Expecting it to improve its other services at a faster pace now. Cheers!
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3 Svc 168 DDs back to back in less than 2 mins at Tampines Ave 4
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trying to upload photo. lets see if i am lucky.
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This is picture of 190 at 20.26 hours. 5888H came and was already packed to door. Only 4-5 pax could board. In 02 mins, 3532H came along, which also had standees, but people could board. Bus was full. This was followed by an unknowm MANA22 which has 3-4 standees when it left Somerset MRT stop. Surely by Scotts road, all 3 buses must have been packed to door.
