Originally posted by Jason Lim WD:A BSEP fleet addon not "totally useless", think before you say it is.
Suggest you read BSEP plan again
The pic is from the website
Perhaps I didn't state clearly, but I am referring to the frequency part~
Originally posted by SBS6301T:means 6301 is 6177?
yea :D. Was about to say that.
Originally posted by SBS2656X:SBS6169J is registered as SBS6180A according to the chassis number.
Dont anyhow whack. SBS6169J is 6300X. The rear engine cover already fix nicely.
Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:Dont anyhow whack. SBS6169J is 6300X. The rear engine cover already fix nicely.
The chassis number of the citaros before SBS6169J, which is SBS6168L, SBS6167P, SBS6166S are in perfect order. Though it is impossible to detect SBS6177K this way though, the regos before and after it is jumbled up.
Plus the chassis number of 6300X is way-off the range of the citaros registered around the SBS616X/SBS617X/SBS618X series.
Originally posted by SBS2656X:The chassis number of the citaros before SBS6169J, which is SBS6168L, SBS6167P, SBS6166S are in perfect order. Though it is impossible to detect SBS6177K this way though, the regos before and after it is jumbled up.
Plus the chassis number of 6300X is way-off the range of the citaros registered around the SBS616X/SBS617X/SBS618X series.
So you're saying you don't believe 6300X is the real 6169 and 6301 is the real 6177? Suit yourself, me, lemon and others won't force you to believe this fact.
Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:So you're saying you don't believe 6300X is the real 6169 and 6301 is the real 6177? Suit yourself, me, lemon and others won't force you to believe this fact.
anyway what was wrong with 6177?
Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:So you're saying you don't believe 6300X is the real 6169 and 6301 is the real 6177? Suit yourself, me, lemon and others won't force you to believe this fact.
He just doesn't get the fact that there's no way that Mercedes can deliver the "latest batch" of Citaros purchased by the Govt within months from the notice by the relevant authorities. Even when they are CBU units to a great extent, no way can they ship that fast yeah.
That's why the 63xx series are pulled from the initial batch ordered by SBST years back to make it seem to the public that their "oh-so-new-BSEP buses" have arrived to make them happy. Then later on when the really-latest-batch of Citaros arrive, which idk is when, they will just reg them back into the holes they missed initially in the rego range.
Same thing with the Wrights yeah. They pulled some of the earlier Wrights supposedly for the 31xx series and reg them under the BSEP 33xx series instead. If not we wouldn't be able to see 3167J 3163U that bunch only registered recently when they way registered up till 32xx series already. They were plugging back the holes they missed initially in the rego range.
To 'SBS2656X', does this help you? If you still don't get it, I rest my case.
Originally posted by SBS 9631X:He just doesn't get the fact that there's no way that Mercedes can deliver the "latest batch" of Citaros purchased by the Govt within months from the notice by the relevant authorities. Even when they are CBU units to a great extent, no way can they ship that fast yeah.
That's why the 63xx series are pulled from the initial batch ordered by SBST years back to make it seem to the public that their "oh-so-new-BSEP buses" have arrived to make them happy. Then later on when the really-latest-batch of Citaros arrive, which idk is when, they will just reg them back into the holes they missed initially in the rego range.
Same thing with the Wrights yeah. They pulled some of the earlier Wrights supposedly for the 31xx series and reg them under the BSEP 33xx series instead. If not we wouldn't be able to see 3167J 3163U that bunch only registered recently when they way registered up till 32xx series already. They were plugging back the holes they missed initially in the rego range.
To 'SBS2656X', does this help you? If you still don't get it, I rest my case.
so 3163U was from the new batch of wrights?
Originally posted by SBS6301T:so 3163U was from the new batch of wrights?
If I'm not wrong, yes. Can ask lemon again. But it can't be that they left out those few from the initial batch just because they forgot to reg them, then suddenly plug back the holes months later while the BSEP wrights just suddenly come out from nowhere.
Originally posted by SBS 9631X:If I'm not wrong, yes. Can ask lemon again. But it can't be that they left out those few from the initial batch just because they forgot to reg them, then suddenly plug back the holes months later while the BSEP wrights just suddenly come out from nowhere.
The current 3163/3159/3167 n so on. Are from the current batch of 270 wrights. As evidence on the HGBA sequence paper pasted on windscreen when the wrights are transferred to depots.
The original wrights under these rego were pull out n registered under 33xx series. Initially they were intended to register as 3159/3163/3165 etc but under BSEP but think they change their mind before registration as I did spotted the old "3166" having the rego plate as 3166 but in the end it was registered as 33xx.
Originally posted by SBS2656X:The chassis number of the citaros before SBS6169J, which is SBS6168L, SBS6167P, SBS6166S are in perfect order. Though it is impossible to detect SBS6177K this way though, the regos before and after it is jumbled up.
Plus the chassis number of 6300X is way-off the range of the citaros registered around the SBS616X/SBS617X/SBS618X series.
Are u sure chassis number of 6300x is way off the range???
Originally posted by lemon1974:The current 3163/3159/3167 n so on. Are from the current batch of 270 wrights. As evidence on the HGBA sequence paper pasted on windscreen when the wrights are transferred to depots.
The original wrights under these rego were pull out n registered under 33xx series. Initially they were intended to register as 3159/3163/3165 etc but under BSEP but think they change their mind before registration as I did spotted the old "3166" having the rego plate as 3166 but in the end it was registered as 33xx.
oh ok (:
Originally posted by lemon1974:The current 3163/3159/3167 n so on. Are from the current batch of 270 wrights. As evidence on the HGBA sequence paper pasted on windscreen when the wrights are transferred to depots.
The original wrights under these rego were pull out n registered under 33xx series. Initially they were intended to register as 3159/3163/3165 etc but under BSEP but think they change their mind before registration as I did spotted the old "3166" having the rego plate as 3166 but in the end it was registered as 33xx.
Uh thanks for the verification. It seems to be that they pulled those bunch out just to make the BSEP scheme seemed like it's ready ahead of schedule? Considering that they reg the 33xx series & 63xx series (for Citaros) a mere few months after the announcement.
Originally posted by SMB66X:Perhaps I didn't state clearly, but I am referring to the frequency part~
What if BSEP for that particular timeslot was to increase the load carrying factor for the almost same timeslot but it's not feasible to deploy another double decker behind another double decker due to the lesser load? That explains your Citaro.
Originally posted by Jason Lim WD:
What if BSEP for that particular timeslot was to increase the load carrying factor for the almost same timeslot but it's not feasible to deploy another double decker behind another double decker due to the lesser load? That explains your Citaro.
See!!! So Citaro better!!!! SMRT should buy 200 more Citaros!!!
6169J is reg as 6300X
6177K is reg as 6302R
Originally posted by service_238:6169J is reg as 6300X
6177K is reg as 6302R
how do you know?
Originally posted by SBS2656X:The chassis number of the citaros before SBS6169J, which is SBS6168L, SBS6167P, SBS6166S are in perfect order. Though it is impossible to detect SBS6177K this way though, the regos before and after it is jumbled up.
Plus the chassis number of 6300X is way-off the range of the citaros registered around the SBS616X/SBS617X/SBS618X series.
chassis number of 6300X:
WEB62808323123119
chassis number of 6168L: WEB62808323123140
chassis number of 6179E:
WEB62808323123136
it's finally revealed...
the tampines to CBD service is Express 513 (starts 17 dec)
and another service from tampines to changi/loyang(loop) in Q1 2013
according to We keep your world moving FB
1. In total, 28 bus services1 will be improved and 5 new bus services will be introduced between October and December 2012 under the Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP). By end of 2012, a total of 89 new BSEP buses will be on the road2. Another 3 new bus services will be introduced in the first quarter of 2013. These improved bus services will benefit many commuters as they are geographically spread island wide.
Better connectivity with new bus services
2. Commuters can expect better connectivity with more new bus services rolled-out under BSEP. To date, three of the five new bus services planned for the fourth quarter of 2012 – Services 119, 860 and 116 - were introduced in October and November. The other two new bus services – new Service 50 and new Express Bus Service 513 - will start on 16 and 17 December 2012 respectively.
3. From 16 December 2012, the new bus Service 50 operated by SBS Transit, will enhance connectivity for commuters along Ang Mo Kio Avenue 8, Ang Mo Kio Avenue 5, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Avenue, Sengkang East Way and Punggol Drive. The new bus route will provide commuters with convenient access to key transport nodes and amenities, such as MRT stations, town centres, schools including the new ITE College Central along Ang Mo Kio Avenue 5, and the Sengkang Sports and Recreation Centre along Sengkang West. The service will operate daily at a frequency of 10 to 15 minutes from Bishan and 10 to 19 minutes from Punggol. (Please refer to Annex A for the route map of Service 50)
4. From 17 December 2012, commuters travelling between Tampines West and the Central Business District (CBD) during weekday peak periods (excluding public holidays) will be served by a new Express Service 513. The new service, operated by SBS Transit, will provide an alternative for Tampines West commuters travelling to the CBD. With limited stops and the use of the East Coast Parkway (ECP), the journey time is expected to be comparable to taking a feeder service and transferring to a train into the city. The new express service will operate two trips on weekday mornings at 7.30am and 7.45am from Tampines Avenue 5 towards Shenton Way. In the evening peak hours, the service will operate two return trips from Anson Road towards Tampines Avenue 5 at 6.15pm and 6.30pm. (Please refer to Annex B for the route map of Service 513)
5. The three new bus services for the first quarter of 2013 will be progressively introduced from January 2013. These new routes will improve the connectivity in Changi North, Choa Chu Kang, Tampines, and Yishun. Details of these new routes are being worked out and the Public Transport Operators (PTOs) will provide more information closer to implementation dates.
6. In addition, a new trunk service will be introduced by SBS Transit at its own cost as part of the on-going network improvement. The new bus route will improve the connectivity in Tampines, Simei and Changi Business Park. The route is being worked out and is targeted for implementation in the first quarter of 2013. More information will be provided closer to implementation. The bus fleet for this service will be from the 250 buses that PTOs will add to their fleet at their cost within 5 years.
Better bus services
7. New BSEP buses will be introduced to 28 bus services with heavy ridership during the morning and evening peak periods in the fourth quarter of 2012. This will add 445 more weekly bus trips. Commuters on these services will have more frequent, more reliable and less crowded buses. (Please refer to Annex C for list of these bus services).
8. Service 284 operated by SBS Transit, for example, will run at a frequency of 4 to 8 minutes during morning/evening peak periods instead of 6 to 14 minutes currently.
9. Service 962 operated by SMRT Buses now runs at higher frequencies of 4 to 8 minutes during morning peak period and 8 to 9 minutes during evening peak periods, from 4 to 9 minutes in the morning, and 10 minutes in the evenings previously.
10. Mr Chua Chong Kheng, Land Transport Authority’s (LTA) Deputy Chief Executive said, “These improvements are geographically spread to benefit as many commuters as possible and aim to make meaningful enhancements to bus service levels. We will continue to work closely with the bus operators to inject the buses progressively over the next 5 years.”
11. SBS Transit CEO, Mr Gan Juay Kiat said, “SBS Transit CEO, Mr Gan Juay Kiat said, “We have made improvements to more than 50 services this year as part of our on-going regular review and will continue to work closely with the LTA under the BSEP to develop and improve our service network to ensure better rides for all.”
12. SMRT spokesperson said: “We are gearing up both our people and fleet to better serve the needs of our customers and to meet the increase in demand for more and better bus services. The latest round of improvements will see more new buses added to our fleet. This will not only provide our customers with shorter waiting times and greater comfort, but also enhance our customers’ overall travelling experience.”
13. In addition, as part of the on-going quarterly bus service review process, PTOs have also improved bus services3 by deploying higher capacity buses and/or adding more bus trips along sectors that experience consistent heavy ridership to better match demand and to increase frequency/capacity along these sectors. Together, the two operators have added a total of 185 more weekly trips during peak hours for 30 services.
14. Under the BSEP, the Government will partner the bus operators to significantly ramp up bus capacity and current bus service levels by providing funding for 550 buses. Over the next 5 years, the buses funded with Government assistance will be deployed to reduce crowding and improve bus frequencies of existing basic bus services, and run about 40 new bus routes. Together with the 250 buses that PTOs will add to their fleet at their cost, over the next 5 years, these 800 new buses will amount to a 20% increase in bus fleet.
15. With the additional capacity, commuters can expect better service levels. By end of 2014, the PTOs will be required to reduce the loading levels for all basic bus services to 85%, down from today’s 95% of their licensed capacity.
16. Peak hour frequencies for feeder and trunk bus services will also be improved. Under the BSEP, all services will operate within 20-minute scheduled intervals, with another 10% of services having intervals brought down even further to within 12 minutes. Currently, under the existing quality of service standards, all services have to operate within 30-minute scheduled intervals, of which 80% must be within 10-min scheduled intervals.
Annex A : New Bus Service 50
Annex B : New Express Bus Service 513
Annex C : Improvements to bus service levels
Annex D : Map of BSEP improvements
1 Bus services enhanced under BSEP in fourth quarter 2012:
• SBS Transit bus services: 2, 8, 21, 29, 48, 57, 60, 79, 86, 87, 147, 168, 228, 229, 238, 246. 262, 273, 284, 315, 317, 325, 333 and 335
• SMRT bus services: 77, 962, 963 and 969
2 The breakdown of the new BSEP buses is as follows:
• 28 new BSEP buses for improvements to 26 bus services in Q3 2012
• 31 new BSEP buses for improvements to 28 bus services in Q4 2012
• 30 new BSEP buses deployed on the 5 new BSEP bus services introduced in Q4 2012
3 SBS Transit bus services improved between October and December 2012 under the quarterly bus service review process: 5, 7, 19, 25, 36, 39, 45, 76, 88, 90, 94, 95, 109, 145, 154, 161, 185, 198, 225, 240 and 334.
SMRT bus services improved between October and December 2012 under the quarterly bus service review process: 178, 811, 852, 854, 856, 859, 961, 966 and 971E
Source: http://sg.sg/R9TXYC
Two new SBS Transit bus services in December under enhancement programme
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1241420/1/.html
Quote:
In addition, four new bus services will be added to the bus network in the first quarter of 2013.
Three of them come under the government's enhancement programme, while the other is a trunk service by SBS Transit at its own cost.
this trunk service by SBST not BSEP? it must be the tampines to Changi/loyang service
the other 3 Q1 services shld be CCK,Yishun & 1 more to CBD
262 since when got enhance?