Why Singapore need DDs & why it's impractical to use bendies
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Originally posted by sbst275:
you have said the very obvious yourself...so why would there be the NEL breakdown shuttle when it's a SOP item for long disruptions?
I don't know. Ask SBST yourself.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
You are wrong.
Once people got used to the system, practically everyone I know now liked the hub and spoke system.
And it makes far more sense than taking train only.
Or taking bus only.
The flexibility I now gain from having the liberty to alight, drink tao huey zhui, and then take another bus to another destination is tremendous.
And now taking feeder bus to my house from the MRT station is such an attractive option instead of walking 15 minutes in the sun to save 60 cents.
And perhaps you do not travel like I do on a daily basis. I can switch buses up to 3x per trip to try to find a good balance between having seats and reaching my destinations quickly.
Call it troublesome. But consider my trip to Bedok from Hougang Ave 8 this morning:
If I take the train only (NEL=>CCL=>EWL), I take around 50 minutes, including a 15 minutes walk from my house.
By contrast, despite walking 10 minutes, and then switching buses 3 times and having to wait 10 minutes, and 5 minutes for the first 2 buses (62=>25=>28), I took 40 minutes to reach Bedok MRT. And the trip was cheaper!
You should not discount the flexibility in planning trips courtesy of this new system.
Not everyone likes to transfer here and there just to go to a place, many would prefer a straight and direct way.
And not everyone is well versed in all bus services, like what service number to transfer and where to transfer. Many people find it a hassle.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
I don't know. Ask SBST yourself.
What SBST does is the correct thing... I've alrdy said what's e pt of writing the bridging bus svs when it's an SOP item and come to think of it, it's only for the affected stretch?Seems you do not even understand what e poster is for... Then you should be the one to ask SBST
The bus kids here are of 1 kind... In reality, dun think and say dunno...
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Not everyone likes to transfer here and there just to go to a place, many would prefer a straight and direct way.
And not everyone is well versed in all bus services, like what service number to transfer and where to transfer. Many people find it a hassle.
If people take time to adjust, then you'll be surprised at how people with 3G phones now use sites like gothere.sg to figure out the most efficient way to travel.
As for the older folks, like an old lady I visited at her home at Bukit Merah, who prefer 1x straight bus, the option is still open, though somewhat curtailed now. She told me to go home from her place by 147. I knew better. My backside would split and be peeled like banana if I did that. So I taught her that 855=>74 is faster. And then she surprised me by telling me the fastest ways to transfer buses and trains to travel to the western areas, where I was unfamiliar with.
To assume that people are passive recipients of change glosses over the fact that they can adapt.
I used to rue the removal of services which once went to town from my place. But CCL now more than compensates that removal.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
If people take time to adjust, then you'll be surprised at how people with 3G phones now use sites like gothere.sg to figure out the most efficient way to travel.
As for the older folks, like an old lady I visited at her home at Bukit Merah, who prefer 1x straight bus, the option is still open, though somewhat curtailed now. She told me to go home from her place by 147. I knew better. My backside would split and be peeled like banana if I did that. So I taught her that 855=>74 is faster. And then she surprised me by telling me the fastest ways to transfer buses and trains to travel to the western areas, where I was unfamiliar with.
To assume that people are passive recipients of change glosses over the fact that they can adapt.
I used to rue the removal of services which once went to town from my place. But CCL now more than compensates that removal.
There will be still people who would prefer a direct ride.
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And what about those who value their time and backside?
Penalise them with the cursed transfer-penalty of the past?
How can you expect the bus service to be straight and direct? It's next to impossible when we all do not live at the same places and still expect to be ferried to different places to work or play.
Even in the past, with so many more pan-island bus services, most of us still had to transfer to trains and feeder buses, and trunk services were tortuously long.
And don't you find it strange that if we transfered trains in the past, we did not have to pay another flat fee, but the same was not true of bus? So bus is not an essential piece of public transport the same way train is?
To me, paying yet another flat fare for a new ride was a historical baggage from the time we had conductors and hence impossible to track the start and end-point. And now its time to move on to a more seamless form of travel.
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restore old 23!
Tampines Int
Tampines Ave 5
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Originally posted by sinicker:
restore old 23!
Tampines Int
Tampines Ave 5
PIESv 23 is kind of awkward to have it loop at Rochor Canal Road
Why don't they just have it terminated at Queen St or Marina Centre Terminal
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
Sv 23 is kind of awkward to have it loop at Rochor Canal Road
Why don't they just have it terminated at Queen St or Marina Centre Terminal
I like that 23 loops at Rochor Canal road instead of terminating at Queen st. If you take the bus at Tekka Center (Little India station) - technically this should be the first stop after loop, but if you see during morning / evening peak, the bus will already have close to 30 pax who have taken it at Jalan Besar instead of walking all the way to Serangoon road to take the bus.
Hence, while on paper terminating at Queens Street Terminal would make sense, in reality people are actually boarding the bus at Jalan Besar to go to Serangoon Rd / Tampines.
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
A lot of places with height restriction also
Services which do not have DDs,
3, 11, 15, 16, 18, 24, 26, 27, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40, 42, 48, 53, 57, 63, 66, 73, 82, 83, 84, 85, 92, 94, 100, 101, 103, 105, 123, 124, 125, 128, 130, 131, 135, 138, 142, 145, 155, 156, 158, 159, 160, 162, 170, 175, 191, 194, 195, 200, 226, 228, 231, 232, 235, 238, 261, 262, 265, 268, 269, 272, 273, 275, 282, 284, 292, 293, 315, 317, 325, 333, 335, 354, 358, 359, 372, 400, 401, 402, 403, 405, 410
Blue- Cannot use ADD
Orange- Can use ADD
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Blue- Cannot use ADD
Orange- Can use ADD
84 cannot use ADD
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I like that 23 loops at Rochor Canal road instead of terminating at Queen st. If you take the bus at Tekka Center (Little India station) - technically this should be the first stop after loop, but if you see during morning / evening peak, the bus will already have close to 30 pax who have taken it at Jalan Besar instead of walking all the way to Serangoon road to take the bus.
Hence, while on paper terminating at Queens Street Terminal would make sense, in reality people are actually boarding the bus at Jalan Besar to go to Serangoon Rd / Tampines.
understood..but with distance-based fare these days
those at Jln besar wanting to use 23 to go to Tampines can just do a 66/67 to 23 transfer at Rochor Canal Road (the bus stop besides Sim Lim Square)
these 30 pax u referring to may be passengers from Tampines who want to get to serangoon road direct
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
84 cannot use ADD
82 terminates at Punggol Road End in the past and can use DDs.
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actually every route can use DD one
the issue is on whether they want or don't want
in the past the myth is that buses plying into NUS, ie. 95,96,151 cannot use DD..but look what we have now...
"Cannot use DD" also can make it "can"
they can always request URA to clear the trees/branches for 195 to use DD, or remove the height limit signage gantry at Lor Chuan for 105 and 159 to use DD
in hongkong, they even use DD to go up to hilltops!
SMRTB cannot use DDs becos SBST already using DD?? what rubbish....
SIA buy A380 means tigerair cannot buy A380??
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
actually every route can use DD one
the issue is on whether they want or don't want
in the past the myth is that buses plying into NUS, ie. 95,96,151 cannot use DD..but look what we have now...
"Cannot use DD" also can make it "can"
they can always request URA to clear the trees/branches for 195 to use DD, or remove the height limit signage gantry at Lor Chuan for 105 and 159 to use DD
in hongkong, they even use DD to go up to hilltops!
SMRTB cannot use DDs becos SBST already using DD?? what rubbish....
SIA buy A380 means tigerair cannot buy A380??
Hong Kong's case is the lack of SDs and the service is high demand.
With the exception of KMB Services 51 and 53 which use Enviro200s. Pity the E200...
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
actually every route can use DD one
the issue is on whether they want or don't want
in the past the myth is that buses plying into NUS, ie. 95,96,151 cannot use DD..but look what we have now...
"Cannot use DD" also can make it "can"
they can always request URA to clear the trees/branches for 195 to use DD, or remove the height limit signage gantry at Lor Chuan for 105 and 159 to use DD
in hongkong, they even use DD to go up to hilltops!
SMRTB cannot use DDs becos SBST already using DD?? what rubbish....
SIA buy A380 means tigerair cannot buy A380??
The crappy Dennis Dragons are the worst to go on the hilltops. Always vibrate and shake violently when they do so. It's like more than a roller coaster ride
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Hong Kong's old buses are crappy while the new ones are soooo new.
SG is different, even the MK4s don't seem that old and the Wrights aren't that new.
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Blue- Cannot use ADD
Orange- Can use ADD
Who says 101 cannot use ADD?
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
actually every route can use DD one
the issue is on whether they want or don't want
in the past the myth is that buses plying into NUS, ie. 95,96,151 cannot use DD..but look what we have now...
"Cannot use DD" also can make it "can"
they can always request URA to clear the trees/branches for 195 to use DD, or remove the height limit signage gantry at Lor Chuan for 105 and 159 to use DD
in hongkong, they even use DD to go up to hilltops!
SMRTB cannot use DDs becos SBST already using DD?? what rubbish....
SIA buy A380 means tigerair cannot buy A380??
Seriously what kind of cake did you buy at Amsterdam?
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Height restrictions due to branches is a lame excuse. IF the public needs better infrastructure and more DDs on a route, cut the damn branches. Not like for DTL and CCL, a lot of trees let alone branches were cut.
But the issue is that SBST may not be findind deploying DDs on this route extremely important. Though I think 145 would make a very good DD, if Henderson road branches are cut.
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Blue- Cannot use ADD
Orange- Can use ADD
325 cannot use DD...
The tight turn @ Hougang Primary can make DD crash into cars turning into St 91 from St 93.
Considering the ''SPACIOUS'' area the Punggol Rd End allows, DDs are able to turn there.
The diameter of the area is about 1.5 MkIV DMs.
138 during Qing Ming will jam like shit... Using DD will be a disaster then. -
Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Who says 101 cannot use ADD?
He meant the turn at Buangkok Link??
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
actually every route can use DD one
the issue is on whether they want or don't want
in the past the myth is that buses plying into NUS, ie. 95,96,151 cannot use DD..but look what we have now...
"Cannot use DD" also can make it "can"
they can always request URA to clear the trees/branches for 195 to use DD, or remove the height limit signage gantry at Lor Chuan for 105 and 159 to use DD
in hongkong, they even use DD to go up to hilltops!
SMRTB cannot use DDs becos SBST already using DD?? what rubbish....
SIA buy A380 means tigerair cannot buy A380??
Uncle, 159 goes underneath CTE viaduct @ Braddel Road...
Thats the real reason why 159 have no DDs...
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oops
82 ever used VO3x before...
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
actually every route can use DD one
the issue is on whether they want or don't want
in the past the myth is that buses plying into NUS, ie. 95,96,151 cannot use DD..but look what we have now...
"Cannot use DD" also can make it "can"
they can always request URA to clear the trees/branches for 195 to use DD, or remove the height limit signage gantry at Lor Chuan for 105 and 159 to use DD
in hongkong, they even use DD to go up to hilltops!
SMRTB cannot use DDs becos SBST already using DD?? what rubbish....
SIA buy A380 means tigerair cannot buy A380??
eh.. 105 & 159 can use DD? Then the signage is there for what?No wonder... e same person suggesting remove e queueing poles at BI...
Please la, we do things for a reason...
You think HK didn't have its problems of getting DDs that can climb?