Some questions about buses

• Busenthusiast

  14 Oct 11, 12:12

  Hi, we are a group of students doing a project and have some questions to ask about buses.

  

  What is inside the 2 beige 'blocks' behind the parent and child seat and beside the reserved seats on the right/left of the aisle? We think it might be for storage purposes but would like to confirm this. This is for the K230 bus model, and is the model currently with the largest bus fleet, from what we researched (please correct if wrong).

  Also, what is the average passenger flow for bus services that are more 'popular'?

  If there are any links to data, it would be much appreciated! Thanks!

• lemon1974

  14 Oct 11, 12:39

  that is the front wheel area...

• jgho83

  15 Oct 11, 01:42

  Simi weird project lai de... bus fan project?

• Darkness_hacker99

  15 Oct 11, 01:56

   not many people know it's a parent and child seat.

  The two thing is call wheelchair bay, it's for handicaps with wheelchair to park.

  Please refer to reference:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/naughtypixie/2303066624/

  http://www.hwa.org.sg/files/pdf/your_guide_to_the_wheelchair_accessible_bus_wab.pdf (PDF files, WAB Guide)

   

  Best regards

  Homework Forum Moderator

• jgho83

  15 Oct 11, 02:01

  Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:

   not many people know it's a parent and child seat.

  The two thing is call wheelchair bay, it's for handicaps with wheelchair to park.

  Please refer to reference:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/naughtypixie/2303066624/

  http://www.hwa.org.sg/files/pdf/your_guide_to_the_wheelchair_accessible_bus_wab.pdf (PDF files, WAB Guide)

   

  Best regards

  Homework Forum Moderator

  your second link about PIW boarding WAB is outdated. Hope it helps.

• Bus Stopping

  15 Oct 11, 02:03

  Some of the air cylinders are also stored inside the 'blocks'. This is confirmed for the E5 Kubs, but should be the same for the E4s too.

• Darkness_hacker99

  15 Oct 11, 02:03

  It manual may be outdated, but the illustration is there.

• ^tamago^

  15 Oct 11, 03:01

  The illustration is definitely relevant to a PIW.

• sbst275

  15 Oct 11, 14:37

  Mainly tyre lor...

• sbst275

  15 Oct 11, 14:38

  As for loading.

  I guess the usual method used right now is loading factor right?

• SBS7484P

  15 Oct 11, 15:29

  Those beige blocks are the wheel-wells of the front wheels.

   

  At the same time, air tanks are mounted to structures near the wheel-well area.
  This is a low-floor bus, so advantage is taken where possible to mount items so as to avoid raising the floor before the exit door, or creating unnecessary 'lumps' on the side of the bus.

   

• Darkness_hacker99

  15 Oct 11, 15:31

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• SBS7484P

  15 Oct 11, 15:33

  

  This isn't a Scania chassis, but all the same, it's a low-floor bus chassis.
  
  Note how air tanks are mounted behind the wheel, as well as things like electronics and distribution boards mounted in the raised floor just before the wheel.

  By mounting things in front it also helps to load the front end a bit more, so as to allow better suspension travel, and as such more comfort for the commuters.

  ^ Scratch that, this is crap, the front suspension on KUB's are horrid.

   

• Bus Stopping

  15 Oct 11, 16:17

  Originally posted by sbst275:

  As for loading.

  I guess the usual method used right now is loading factor right?

  Passenger flow is not the same as loading.

  Flow is the amount of passengers boarding and alighting, while loading is the amount of pax onboard the vehicle.

  You can have a service with 95% loading, i.e. 95% full, but very little flow. An example is 179A, where everyone fills up the bus to the door (high load), but there is only few exchange(flow) of pax (unlike feeder services where new pax board, and gets off quickly along the way)

  The passenger flow can only be obtained from the bus co or lta, this is obtained thru the tap-in and tap-outs of ez-link cards, unless u are willing to sit in a bus just to record how many pax board and alight at each stop.

• sbst275

  15 Oct 11, 16:18

  Originally posted by Bus Stopping:

  Passenger flow is not the same as loading.

  Flow is the amount of passengers boarding and alighting, while loading is the amount of pax onboard the vehicle.

  You can have a service with 95% loading, i.e. 95% full, but very little flow. An example is 179A, where everyone fills up the bus to the door (high load), but there is only few exchange(flow) of pax (unlike feeder services where new pax board, and gets off quickly along the way)

  The passenger flow can only be obtained from the bus co or lta, this is obtained thru the tap-in and tap-outs of ez-link cards, unless u are willing to sit in a bus just to record how many pax board and alight at each stop.

  Eh well, you've to adjust to just what pax the bus is mainly provided for right?

  Feeders there would sure be lots of boarding/ alighting everywhere.

• Bus Stopping

  15 Oct 11, 16:25

  Originally posted by sbst275:

  Eh well, you've to adjust to just what pax the bus is mainly provided for right?

  Feeders there would sure be lots of boarding/ alighting everywhere.

  My point is that passenger flow and loading factor is not the same. The services listed was just to demonstrate the difference.

  Passenger flow is one of the key performance indicator of any transport systems around the world, loading factor only acts as a limit of how full a bus should get during its daily operations.