Past bus routes and deployment (Part 2)

• SBS8292Y

  13 Jun 11, 02:26

  Originally posted by SMB116K:

  Which was the perm of Svc 989 back then? Anyone remembered? Other than TIB547Y and TIB611U.

  
  TIB792E was the only CAC permer for 989 back then. Others such as TIB473B etc

• Gus.chong

  14 Jun 11, 15:10

  Post replaced.

• Gus.chong

  15 Jun 11, 15:37

  Some questions on deployments:
  
  1) Do service 25 used to have a full SD fleet in the early 1980s?
  
  2) Does 351 or 355 uses DDs before it merged to become 359 in 1997?
  
  3) What is the perm of 115 before it used Mark IV DM?

  4) What buses does 194 use when it was still having a PAC status in 2006?

• SBS 1000U

  16 Jun 11, 00:17

  Originally posted by Gus.chong:

  Some questions on deployments:
  
  1) Do service 25 used to have a full SD fleet in the early 1980s?
  
  2) Does 351 or 355 uses DDs before it merged to become 359 in 1997?
  
  3) What is the perm of 115 before it used Mark IV DM?

  4) What buses does 194 use when it was still having a PAC status in 2006?

  1) Confirm full SD fleet but not sure what single deckers it used, but since Ang Mo Kio depot had majority Mercedes Benz buses, most likely the Mercedes Benz OF1413/OF1417.

  2) No.

  3) MK3

  4) Mercedes Benz  O405 DM OACs and Volvo B10M DM NAC MK2s. 

• TIB1086D

  16 Jun 11, 00:33

  When 187 was under SBS, it was under JRBP and using LO2x and O405 WA. Did it ever move to under BBDEP control using mark III and older leyland DDs?? 

• SBS5151R

  16 Jun 11, 14:13

  Originally posted by SBS 1000U:

  1) Confirm full SD fleet but not sure what single deckers it used, but since Ang Mo Kio depot had majority Mercedes Benz buses, most likely the Mercedes Benz OF1413/OF1417.

  2) No.

  3) MK3

  4) Mercedes Benz  O405 DM OACs and Volvo B10M DM NAC MK2s. 

  
  2) Then why 359 is able to use Leyland Altanteans and Volvo Olympian 2-axle?
  
  3) I thought 115 used to have a MK2 perm?

• Gus.chong

  16 Jun 11, 20:34

  Post reposted on page 13.

• SBS7440T

  16 Jun 11, 20:44

  Originally posted by SBS5151R:

  
  2) Then why 359 is able to use Leyland Altanteans and Volvo Olympian 2-axle?
  
  3) I thought 115 used to have a MK2 perm?

  
  3) Ya, the MK2 perm on 115 was SBS1835C.

• SBS7440T

  16 Jun 11, 20:46

  Originally posted by TIB1086D:

  When 187 was under SBS, it was under JRBP and using LO2x and O405 WA. Did it ever move to under BBDEP control using mark III and older leyland DDs?? 

  
  Yes. 187 did move to BBDEP.

• vicamour

  18 Jun 11, 14:00

  Originally posted by SBS5151R:

  
  2) Then why 359 is able to use Leyland Altanteans and Volvo Olympian 2-axle?
  
  3) I thought 115 used to have a MK2 perm?

  
  Before 359 was merged, 351 and 355 were shorter feeder services which their individual demands didn't require double deckers. When 359 was merged, demand picked up due to the connected links between different parts of Pasir Ris, then 359 warranted the use of double deckers.
• Gus.chong

  19 Jun 11, 13:52

  Originally posted by vicamour:

  
  Before 359 was merged, 351 and 355 were shorter feeder services which their individual demands didn't require double deckers. When 359 was merged, demand picked up due to the connected links between different parts of Pasir Ris, then 359 warranted the use of double deckers.

  
  Oh. Thanks for the information. When is the last time 359 used to have DDs?

• SBS8675B

  19 Jun 11, 16:45

  Originally posted by SBS 1000U:

  1) Confirm full SD fleet but not sure what single deckers it used, but since Ang Mo Kio depot had majority Mercedes Benz buses, most likely the Mercedes Benz OF1413/OF1417.

  3) MK3

  4) Mercedes Benz  O405 DM OACs and Volvo B10M DM NAC MK2s. 

  
  Service 25 was based under HGDEP in the past if I am not wrong. Remembered a number of Merc 0305s, and Volvo MK3s were initially deployed instead of Merc 0405s when 25 became PAC in 1993.

  Service 115 past redeployments if I remember correctly:-

  SBS1794L (not sure)  SBS884S  SBS1810Z (downgraded to NAC)  SBS595B  SBS1835C (service 82 became FAC, swop perms)  SBS885P

  When did service 194 became PAC??

• SBS8675B

  19 Jun 11, 16:55

  Originally posted by Gus.chong:

  When and how many times 853 & 854 had their depot control change from AMDEP to WLDEP and back to AMDEP?

  
  Once only. 853 and 854 was initially made partial WLDEP controlled when WLDEP started operations in late 1998. It was the mass SBS/Tibs swop in July 1999 which sent these 2 services back to full AMDEP once again.

• SBS8675B

  19 Jun 11, 17:11

  Originally posted by SBS7440T:

  When 980 was under WLDEP control in 2001, how many U31RCNs and L113CRL Striders did it receive?

  
  Service 980 had many movements between AMDEP and WLDEP for the past 12 years:-

  Late 1998: Partial WLDEP controlled with majority Nissan UDs in its fleet. 368Y 370P 372J were among the perms. That time the perm Scanias were still under AMDEP.

  July 1999: 980 became full AMDEP controlled and perm Lances 907S 908P 909L 926L were brought in.

  Jan 2001: Partial WLDEP again (5 full + 1 split to WLDEP), this time round Scanias were deployed. 565U 658K 665P 666L 672T 835R were deployed. 673R eventually replaced 835R.

  Sept 2004: Back to full AMDEP again, after which became minority WLDEP controlled. 916R 917M 1257C perm under AMDEP side whereas 658K 665P 673R remained under WLDEP side (WLDEP controlled only 3 full days).

  Mar 2005: 3 duties (2 full + 1 split) from AMDEP to WLDEP. 1254K 1255H 1256E from AMDEP SP moved to WLDEP 980, 916R 917M 1257C out. Return of the Nissan UDs again...

  June 2005: 2 full duties from WLDEP back to AMDEP. 1255H 1256E from WLDEP 980 moved to AMDEP SP. 929D and 1257C perm from AMDEP side. 1254K remained as perm split under WLDEP.

  June 2006: (CSS) 191X 192T regular cameo on 980 under WLDEP side replacing the 3 Scanias.

  Oct 2006: 658K 665P 673R back to 980. 1254K replaced with (CSS) 183U for split.

  May 2009: 2 more full duties to AMDEP, 934M and 939A perm under AMDEP side. WLDEP left with 1 full and 1 split. 658K became perm split, 183U and 673R out.

  Nov 2010: 4 full duties from AMDEP back to WLDEP. 661A 664S 666L 667J perm WLDEP side. 929D 934M 939A 1257C out.

  2011: 907S became perm RWS8, replaced by 1257C. 970H to WLDEP, replaced by 934M.

• SBS8675B

  19 Jun 11, 17:24

  Originally posted by Gus.chong:

  TIB368Y TIB370P TIB372J
  3 Nissan Diesel U31RCN (3 OAC)

  TIB565U TIB665P TIB666L TIB673R
  4 Scania L113CRL (4 Strider)

  
  368Y 370P 372J were perm WLDEP 980 from late 1998 to Jul 1999.

  565U 665P 666L 672T 835R were perm WLDEP 980 from Jan 2001 onwards. 673R replaced 835R in May 2001.

  980 was full AMDEP controlled between Jul 1999 to Jan 2001.

• SBS8675B

  19 Jun 11, 17:32

  Originally posted by SMB116K:

  That was nice. TIB666L became perm of 980 again... TIB665P remained as 980 perm all the while....

  
  TIB665P had been with 160/980 since new in Feb 1996 regardless of AMDEP or WLDEP controlling it. Started off with perm AMDEP 160 followed on to 980. After which transferred to WLDEP and became perm 167 for some time. Returned to perm 980 again under WLDEP in Jan 2001 due to duty transfers. Note that TIB665P was not affected despte duty transfers between AMDEP and WLDEP.

  TIB666L ever did perm AMDEP 980 before in 1999 and it also transferred to WLDEP 167. Back to perm 980 again under WLDEP in Jan 2001 till Sept 2004, after which it became perm 963 followed by 178. Returned to perm WLDEP 980 again last Nov.

• Gus.chong

  19 Jun 11, 21:18

  Originally posted by SBS8675B:

  
  368Y 370P 372J were perm WLDEP 980 from late 1998 to Jul 1999.

  565U 665P 666L 672T 835R were perm WLDEP 980 from Jan 2001 onwards. 673R replaced 835R in May 2001.

  980 was full AMDEP controlled between Jul 1999 to Jan 2001.

  Oops, I thought 980 was under WLDEP since it was renumbered from 160.

• Gus.chong

  19 Jun 11, 21:27

  Originally posted by SBS8675B:

  
  Service 25 was based under HGDEP in the past if I am not wrong. Remembered a number of Merc 0305s, and Volvo MK3s were initially deployed instead of Merc 0405s when 25 became PAC in 1993.

  Service 115 past redeployments if I remember correctly:-

  SBS1794L (not sure)  SBS884S  SBS1810Z (downgraded to NAC)  SBS595B  SBS1835C (service 82 became FAC, swop perms)  SBS885P

  When did service 194 became PAC??

  
  

  Oh, thanks for the 115 deployments.

  I'm not sure when 194 become PAC, but I believe it should be sometime between 1998 and 2001.

• Gus.chong

  19 Jun 11, 21:29

  Originally posted by SBS8675B:

  
  Once only. 853 and 854 was initially made partial WLDEP controlled when WLDEP started operations in late 1998. It was the mass SBS/Tibs swop in July 1999 which sent these 2 services back to full AMDEP once again.

  
  So, 853 and 854 were all along AMDEP controlled (regardless of full or partial)?

• SBS8675B

  19 Jun 11, 22:42

  Originally posted by Gus.chong:

  
  So, 853 and 854 were all along AMDEP controlled (regardless of full or partial)?

  
  Yes

• SBS8675B

  19 Jun 11, 22:51

  Originally posted by Gus.chong:

  Oops, I thought 980 was under WLDEP since it was renumbered from 160.

  
  171, 853, 854 and 980 were among 4 partial AMDEP/WLDEP services to be made full AMDEP in Jul 1999. That was when service 190 was handed over to Tibs. On the same day KJDEP handed all services 167, 187, 700 and 960 duties to WLDEP.

  Also note that services 167 and 851 were used to be full WLDEP controlled too.

  It was in Jan 2001 when depot transfers took place again with both services 167 and 980 were made partial AMDEP/WLDEP, whereas 851 went back to full AMDEP.

• SBS8675B

  19 Jun 11, 23:53

  Originally posted by SBS 1000U:

  Any non air con buses was deployed in Sengkang areas for SBS buses when they were in service by 1998, other than the NAC Scania N113CRBs on 88???

  Any non air con LO2xes or VO2xes serving there as well before???

   

  I remember service 87 when newly introduced in 1999 was also a PAC service, not sure which NAC buses did 87 then. Similar to service 88, it was also converted to FAC within 1-2 months.

  Think the 2002 bus guide also indicated as PAC for Sengkang feeders 371 and 372. Not sure whether the info is accurate or not.

  In 2005-2006, NAC MK2s made a sudden appearance on service 82, and it was rather unusual to have NAC buses passing thru Sengkang and Punggol estates then.

   

• SBS 1000U

  20 Jun 11, 00:30

  Originally posted by SBS8675B:

  
  Service 25 was based under HGDEP in the past if I am not wrong. Remembered a number of Merc 0305s, and Volvo MK3s were initially deployed instead of Merc 0405s when 25 became PAC in 1993.

  
  He ask about 25 fleet in the 1980s before 25 used double deckers.

  Where was 25 based on in the 1980s???

• Gus.chong

  20 Jun 11, 18:46

  Originally posted by SBS8675B:

  
  171, 853, 854 and 980 were among 4 partial AMDEP/WLDEP services to be made full AMDEP in Jul 1999. That was when service 190 was handed over to Tibs. On the same day KJDEP handed all services 167, 187, 700 and 960 duties to WLDEP.

  Also note that services 167 and 851 were used to be full WLDEP controlled too.

  It was in Jan 2001 when depot transfers took place again with both services 167 and 980 were made partial AMDEP/WLDEP, whereas 851 went back to full AMDEP.

  
  Ok. Thanks for the information.

• SBS5151R

  20 Jun 11, 18:50

  Originally posted by SBS8675B:

  
  Service 980 had many movements between AMDEP and WLDEP for the past 12 years:-

  Late 1998: Partial WLDEP controlled with majority Nissan UDs in its fleet. 368Y 370P 372J were among the perms. That time the perm Scanias were still under AMDEP.

  July 1999: 980 became full AMDEP controlled and perm Lances 907S 908P 909L 926L were brought in.

  Jan 2001: Partial WLDEP again (5 full + 1 split to WLDEP), this time round Scanias were deployed. 565U 658K 665P 666L 672T 835R were deployed. 673R eventually replaced 835R.

  Sept 2004: Back to full AMDEP again, after which became minority WLDEP controlled. 916R 917M 1257C perm under AMDEP side whereas 658K 665P 673R remained under WLDEP side (WLDEP controlled only 3 full days).

  Mar 2005: 3 duties (2 full + 1 split) from AMDEP to WLDEP. 1254K 1255H 1256E from AMDEP SP moved to WLDEP 980, 916R 917M 1257C out. Return of the Nissan UDs again...

  June 2005: 2 full duties from WLDEP back to AMDEP. 1255H 1256E from WLDEP 980 moved to AMDEP SP. 929D and 1257C perm from AMDEP side. 1254K remained as perm split under WLDEP.

  June 2006: (CSS) 191X 192T regular cameo on 980 under WLDEP side replacing the 3 Scanias.

  Oct 2006: 658K 665P 673R back to 980. 1254K replaced with (CSS) 183U for split.

  May 2009: 2 more full duties to AMDEP, 934M and 939A perm under AMDEP side. WLDEP left with 1 full and 1 split. 658K became perm split, 183U and 673R out.

  Nov 2010: 4 full duties from AMDEP back to WLDEP. 661A 664S 666L 667J perm WLDEP side. 929D 934M 939A 1257C out.

  2011: 907S became perm RWS8, replaced by 1257C. 970H to WLDEP, replaced by 934M.

  980 went back one last time as AMDEP/WLDEP control in Oct 2004.