Yishun Int Layout
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Tat some F**** drivers like to q up the rd all the way to the junction n end up buses keep "Horning" & "Horning, end up bendies q up the whold stretch n complety blk the junction of YIshun Ave 2.
Traffic chaos? blame those drivers instead of the bus drivers. Today saw the incident and almost case accidents between bendy buses and other vehicles.
Anyway i think carparks shldnt be build on the perimeter of the bus int, like YIshun n tampines.
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which car park?
Not I want to say, Jurong Pt has this problem also. Woodlands Centre also
Woodlands Centre one pretty epic, ever saw a Sv 912 SL would end up become a road bully. Ppl alrdy at yellow box still want to horn. Horn nvm, it's continous
End up e vehicle reverse back. Imagine if there's a vehicle behind? Blasting horn all the way? End up tis 912 SL squeezed his way through.
To think of it, SMRT SL never scared of side swipe accident. Ever saw 1 alomst occured at Bt Batok, oil acclerator thinking can be faster than car
Jurong Pt is made worst w/ all the loading/ unloading vehicle taking up 1 lane.
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I think I know which car park le
if you want, go write to HDB to remove e car park.
The other 1/2 epic fail, you know got car park and it's small still want to blast horn. Cannot wait?
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Even if there are no cars, all the bendies just jam up the whole drive way. Especially 3 bendies from the first alighting berth onwards, the next bus turning right into the interchange have to wait for the next green arrow to turn in.
Worse still during peak hours, sometimes the bus stop outside the row of shop houses behind the interchange, at least 2 bendies, normally 804 and 806 and sometimes a single deck would just block the exit from the bus interchange for services 39, 85, 852 ,853, 855.
LTA should just ban bendies. They are taking too much space on the roads, especially in small bus stops and busy roads and bus interchanges. SMRT should just buy double deckers to ease their workload. And don't ever say that SMRT cannot buy double deckers because there is no law here that says that only SBST can buy double deckers exclusively.
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I did ask SMRT personnel why bendies instead of DDs.Their standard reply bendies are much faster and usually its good for short haul and feeder services although space is the common issue.Its up to the bus company in the end.
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Jurong Point i see many BCs blasting horn also..Aiyo in Singapore blast horn also no use,The more you horn the more people will challenge you especially if the driver is foreigners
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Originally posted by vicamour:
LTA should just ban bendies. They are taking too much space on the roads, especially in small bus stops and busy roads and bus interchanges. SMRT should just buy double deckers to ease their workload. And don't ever say that SMRT cannot buy double deckers because there is no law here that says that only SBST can buy double deckers exclusively.
Bendies also have their advantages.... What if the route has height limits?
DDs for feeder services? I might as well u deploy a SD.
Who in the hell taking a feeder service would go to the upper deck if they are just alighting after a few stops?
U can't conclude like that, becoz bendies and DDs both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Of course, it would be best for SMRT to have a fleet of DDs too, for trunk services.
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Tis vicamour user seens to hate SMRT n bendies. LOL. he shld b ban from tis forum. Like I say, tis issue shld b fair n square.. Both bendies n DD do have their pros n cons. Stop attacking on bendies...
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I did ask SMRT personnel why bendies instead of DDs.Their standard reply bendies are much faster and usually its good for short haul and feeder services although space is the common issue.Its up to the bus company in the end.
It really depends the types of engines that they can choose for a double decker bus. Double deckers are also powerful too, like those in Hong Kong. Anyway, how fast do they want? Singapore buses are generally limited to 70km/h.
Originally posted by TIB1010Y:Tis vicamour user seens to hate SMRT n bendies. LOL. he shld b ban from tis forum. Like I say, tis issue shld b fair n square.. Both bendies n DD do have their pros n cons. Stop attacking on bendies...
If you can't take criticisms and other opinions, then don't surf a forum. This is an open discussion area, not for you to discuss about issues that suit to your ears only.If you think that SMRT can only buy bendies and cannot buy double deckers, then continue with that narrow minded thinking.
Originally posted by S.Solitaire:Bendies also have their advantages.... What if the route has height limits?
DDs for feeder services? I might as well u deploy a SD.
Who in the hell taking a feeder service would go to the upper deck if they are just alighting after a few stops?
U can't conclude like that, becoz bendies and DDs both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Of course, it would be best for SMRT to have a fleet of DDs too, for trunk services.
There aren't many bus routes now with height limits. Even if with height limits, most of the routes are using single deckers and better frequencies. Like 95, 173.
Moreover you have to take into account that the future design of bus interchanges and terminals are getting smaller and smaller, how to accomodate more bendies in future? You want to have queues of buses jamming inside and outside the bus interchanges? Look at SMRT depots, they are already so squeezed with bendies. Unless they are building bigger depots, then what is the point?
Just look at the interchanges, only Sembawang, Bukit Panjang and Bukit Batok seems to be in a better situations without much bendy buses. Places like Woodlands, Yishun are always badly jammed because of bendy buses. Chua Chu Kang is still not that bad.
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remove the bendies, replace with 12m buses... half the problem solved.
all these regular complains just shows tt bendies takes up too much road space then necessary -
Originally posted by TIB1010Y:
Tis vicamour user seens to hate SMRT n bendies. LOL. he shld b ban from tis forum. Like I say, tis issue shld b fair n square.. Both bendies n DD do have their pros n cons. Stop attacking on bendies...
Face it.Bendies are not terribly well-suited here.
The so-called provisions to cater to long buses aren't exactly helpful in the LR because they don't solve the root problems.
And Woodlands is just utter chaos these days.
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Originally posted by 105090:
remove the bendies, replace with 12m buses... half the problem solved.
You sure?You go and take a look at Woodlands at peak hours and see how many people failed to board 912/913 (on a bendy somemore) and the residents there making 178 their 'makeshift' bus home, Removing bendies will make things worse, especially for the WL (Marsilling drive/WL Checkpoint) side. Yishun side I can't comment cos I don't frequent there often.
So conclusion? removing bendies will make things hell for the WL people.
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Originally posted by TIB1167D:
You sure?You go and take a look at Woodlands at peak hours and see how many people failed to board 912/913 (on a bendy somemore) and the residents there making 178 their 'makeshift' bus home, Removing bendies will make things worse, especially for the WL (Marsilling drive/WL Checkpoint) side. Yishun side I can't comment cos I don't frequent there often.
So conclusion? removing bendies will make things hell for the WL people.
just face the fact, SMRT will not be having any more bendies in future. They can do all sorts of redeployments for now, incld sv806, but down the road, the bendies will have to go. even 1105H they also desperate to revive it despite all odds.
woodlands is a high density estate with terrible transport links. Trunk services takes only 3 routes out of the estate. 85% of the flats are only served by pathetic feeders, tts why u see the interchange so crowded. everyone has to pass by Woodlands/Marsiling/Admiralty. cannot escape one. -
Originally posted by vicamour:
... carbikebus: I did ask SMRT personnel why bendies instead of...;user seens to hate SMRT n bendies. LOL. he ... If you think that SMRT can only buy bendies ... would be best for SMRT to have a fleet ... interchanges? Look at SMRT depots, they are already ...
What crap?
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Originally posted by 105090:
just face the fact, SMRT will not be having any more bendies in future. They can do all sorts of redeployments for now, incld sv806, but down the road, the bendies will have to go. even 1105H they also desperate to revive it despite all odds.
woodlands is a high density estate with terrible transport links. Trunk services takes only 3 routes out of the estate. 85% of the flats are only served by pathetic feeders, tts why u see the interchange so crowded. everyone has to pass by Woodlands/Marsiling/Admiralty. cannot escape one.Hopefully not.Its best to reduce the number of bendies to say 40% out of current fleet.
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Originally posted by 105090:
just face the fact, SMRT will not be having any more bendies in future. They can do all sorts of redeployments for now, incld sv806, but down the road, the bendies will have to go. even 1105H they also desperate to revive it despite all odds.
woodlands is a high density estate with terrible transport links. Trunk services takes only 3 routes out of the estate. 85% of the flats are only served by pathetic feeders, tts why u see the interchange so crowded. everyone has to pass by Woodlands/Marsiling/Admiralty. cannot escape one.Yes will go means will go but that will be in 2023* where all TIBs-regoed fleeting will disappear. By that time whether or not you feel happy is totally another matter
Who knows you might regret the things you posted here, Seriously wait till you live near SMRT-Infest area of frequent there then you will know what I mean, Yes they might block the roads, but atleast they solve the crowd issue, 1 bendy can take in about roughly 100 passengers, which I'd say it really helps out alot. -
Originally posted by TIB1167D:
Yes will go means will go but that will be in 2023* where all TIBs-regoed fleeting will disappear. By that time whether or not you feel happy is totally another matter
Who knows you might regret the things you posted here, Seriously wait till you live near SMRT-Infest area of frequent there then you will know what I mean, Yes they might block the roads, but atleast they solve the crowd issue, 1 bendy can take in about roughly 100 passengers, which I'd say it really helps out alot.yes and no. Even as a driver, as a passenger or as a pedestrian I will never regret they being removed. long vehicles pose more risks to everyone.
True, they make alightings faster, but at what expense? if u ask me, u ask PAP u ask hongkong u ask those congested cities, they tell you double decks is the way to go. space is precious in singapore.
crowd problem also becos too few buses serving too much population.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
It really depends the types of engines that they can choose for a double decker bus. Double deckers are also powerful too, like those in Hong Kong. Anyway, how fast do they want? Singapore buses are generally limited to 70km/h.
If you can't take criticisms and other opinions, then don't surf a forum. This is an open discussion area, not for you to discuss about issues that suit to your ears only.If you think that SMRT can only buy bendies and cannot buy double deckers, then continue with that narrow minded thinking.
There aren't many bus routes now with height limits. Even if with height limits, most of the routes are using single deckers and better frequencies. Like 95, 173.
Moreover you have to take into account that the future design of bus interchanges and terminals are getting smaller and smaller, how to accomodate more bendies in future? You want to have queues of buses jamming inside and outside the bus interchanges? Look at SMRT depots, they are already so squeezed with bendies. Unless they are building bigger depots, then what is the point?
Just look at the interchanges, only Sembawang, Bukit Panjang and Bukit Batok seems to be in a better situations without much bendy buses. Places like Woodlands, Yishun are always badly jammed because of bendy buses. Chua Chu Kang is still not that bad.
I think Choa Chu Kang has the same jamming problem too... they only have 3 svcs that use full rigids, 307, 925, 927.
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Thing is, it's either ADD or bendy fleet.
Unless it's saying willing to spend $$ to upgrade bus stops to take in 2x bendies. To think of it, there's issues w/ such design
1: Peak hr ok because of human volume. Off peak how? SL think bo lang, overtake? But ppl cannot see the bus, it's too far. To think of it, by the time e front bus moves off, ppl start to walk up to the 2nd bus, wouldn't there be backlog?
If the 3rd bus is a bendy and overtakes, would ends up seeing tis 2nd bus can't even move off on time. Backlog is another issue. Some bus stops are near traffic junction.
Then some bus stops like Thong Teck Bldg, they pose a hazard.
2: Space usage: 1 ADD 131 ppl, 1 bendy 131 ppl.
3: Maintenance: The articulator no one bothers to maintain. Recently saw those rubber being rubbed off to the road at Boon Lay Way recently. Less the refurb, all are now rubbing to the road at every moment.
No heart to maintain, dun bother buying them.
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Originally posted by TIB1167D:
Yes will go means will go but that will be in 2023* where all TIBs-regoed fleeting will disappear. By that time whether or not you feel happy is totally another matter
Who knows you might regret the things you posted here, Seriously wait till you live near SMRT-Infest area of frequent there then you will know what I mean, Yes they might block the roads, but atleast they solve the crowd issue, 1 bendy can take in about roughly 100 passengers, which I'd say it really helps out alot.
Arent you contradicting yourself by saying "block the road", and "solve the crowd issue"?Its like just moving the crowd from the pavement to the road.
No?
What would it take to convince SMRT to get some DDs and solve the 2 problems in one stone?
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Arent you contradicting yourself by saying "block the road", and "solve the crowd issue"?Its like just moving the crowd from the pavement to the road.
No?
What would it take to convince SMRT to get some DDs and solve the 2 problems in one stone?
*points to BPJ Blk 270 bus stop & corresponding Bangkit Rd junctionThe scene bus lane flooded w/ bendies
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
What would it take to convince SMRT to get some DDs and solve the 2 problems in one stone?
That will be done at their discretion, not ours to begin with.Much as we can convince SMRT why they should get double deckers, The decision is still theirs to begin with, not forgetting some factors in consideration.
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Originally posted by TIB1167D:
That will be done at their discretion, not ours to begin with.Much as we can convince SMRT why they should get double deckers, The decision is still theirs to begin with, not forgetting some factors in consideration.
Then it doesnt deserve to be called "public bus service provider".Even after LTA's apparent sanctioning of bendy purchasing, the hint wasn't quite taken.
Or should I say, SMRT is either in a bind about this, or in self-delusion.
Looking at the condition of services and buses in general, I'm inclined to think its the latter.
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Originally posted by TIB1167D:
That will be done at their discretion, not ours to begin with.Much as we can convince SMRT why they should get double deckers, The decision is still theirs to begin with, not forgetting some factors in consideration.
They're no longer going to be building bendy friendly bus interchanges anymore. We do not have space for them to flood.Imagine BNL Int. Can SMRT handle 179A, 254, 255, 257's crowd, fleet, freq requirement? I think in no time, the bendies would create a big mob.
I hate to mention tis, Woodlands Int's mess is created by SMRT.
If the bus svs is not efficiency, call it seamless transfer. It's well contradicting to the nation's policy.
Ironically SMRT is a GLC and it's a former Stat Board. Even if the mgmt wasn't from the Stat Board, the GLC linkage is not going to run away.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
3: Maintenance: The articulator no one bothers to maintain. Recently saw those rubber being rubbed off to the road at Boon Lay Way recently. Less the refurb, all are now rubbing to the road at every moment.
No heart to maintain, dun bother buying them.
At least they are trying to keep the roads clean :D