SMRT Buses trials Zhongtong Bus?
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Hey, Copycat too!
SMRT buy China Bus, SBST also copy. No standard.
Hey, Copycat too!
SMRT buy Citaro, SBST also copy. No standard.
tat fuel cell bus seriously dun belong to SBS.
As for Sunlong, it's like a chapalang self bodied one for trial, but engine, chassis, body ownself do.
As for new old buses, very simple. If need to meet 40%, even buses dun reach is llst. In any case, the depre yrs for buses is 12. The only buses in SMRT that still has value is the Habits, Volgren, Smiley bendy, OC500LE.
O405 has no value le
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Hey, Copycat too!
SMRT buy China Bus, SBST also copy. No standard.
Hey, Copycat too!
SMRT buy Citaro, SBST also copy. No standard.
You are not even part of the arguement, who are you to come in and argue? I was trying to tell someone that his comment in the SBST Citaro thread is wrong because one day one bus company will look into other brands. And I don't agree that SBST can only buy double deckers and SMRT can only buy articulated buses and vice versa. Bus operators in Hong Kong don't behave that way.
Go read up the history. If you want to argue, SMRT forever copy others, SBS/SBST and TIBS, because SBS is the first one, after Singapore proper bus organisation in the 1970s, to buy Mercedes Benz buses. As for China buses, I don't really care about them. Best is that SBST don't buy any. You don't want them to copy, ok. SMRT go buy China buses only and SBST only buy European buses. Happy?
Originally posted by SMB66X:I suggest you stop being a nuisance thing here and keep your mouth shut..
You are really pathetic. Nothing to say then leave the comments for yourself. Your ex nick is well known for trouble making. Don't make a fool out of yourself again.
Originally posted by sbst275:tat fuel cell bus seriously dun belong to SBS.
As for Sunlong, it's like a chapalang self bodied one for trial, but engine, chassis, body ownself do.
SunLong approached SBST for the demos???
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Well, stop posting rubbish post that would cause flame wars. This topic isn't for you to show off how well SBS Transit is...
Back to topic..
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Well, stop posting rubbish post that would cause flame wars. This topic isn't for you to show off how well SBS Transit is...
Back to topic..
And this forum is not for you fan boy to show how well your SMRT is.End of discussion with you.
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Originally posted by S.Solitaire:
Spotted Zhongtong at Bedok North Ave 1 this afternoon.... Rego SMB137A already up... However, it is still using the trade plate, which is inside the bus itself.
Bottom should have some lights like those coach buses :D
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Originally posted by sbst275:
tat fuel cell bus seriously dun belong to SBS.
As for Sunlong, it's like a chapalang self bodied one for trial, but engine, chassis, body ownself do.
As for new old buses, very simple. If need to meet 40%, even buses dun reach is llst. In any case, the depre yrs for buses is 12. The only buses in SMRT that still has value is the Habits, Volgren, Smiley bendy, OC500LE.
O405 has no value le
It does not mean that buses which has no value must be deregistered. On the accounts, they have no fixed value.
Same thing as a computer. Depreciation is 3 years. It does not mean u throw away the computer after 3 years.
In fact, for buses, a vehicle that has no value will generate better income because there is no longer depreciation cost for the vehicle every year. Revenue is generated so long gross income > running cost.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
And this forum is not for you fan boy to show how well your SMRT is.End of discussion with you.
Waddd makes u tink tt by saying tis it makes sum1 a fanboiii?????? Then can I saeeee u r a SBST fanboiiii also????? U always sarpork SBST 1 also wadddddd
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Originally posted by XiaoTaro:
It does not mean that buses which has no value must be deregistered. On the accounts, they have no fixed value.
Same thing as a computer. Depreciation is 3 years. It does not mean u throw away the computer after 3 years.
In fact, for buses, a vehicle that has no value will generate better income because there is no longer depreciation cost for the vehicle every year. Revenue is generated so long gross income > running cost.
double edge swordwant to get it to retire early has no book losses, while yes, it means lower profits should the fleet be replaced and commences revenue service.
In fact it's tabulated as 12 yrs because lifespan for buses was only 12 yrs all the way till mid 1990s.
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If MAN then 90% would be the 7litre version..Think of ST Kinetics.I hope they bring in the NL283F 12m & NG313F 18m..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
If MAN then 90% would be the 7litre version..Think of ST Kinetics.I hope they bring in the NL283F 12m & NG313F 18m..
Nah I hope it'll be Lion's City
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Any chance SMRT will buy PRC buses on large-scale basis?
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Originally posted by vicamour:
You are not even part of the arguement, who are you to come in and argue? I was trying to tell someone that his comment in the SBST Citaro thread is wrong because one day one bus company will look into other brands. And I don't agree that SBST can only buy double deckers and SMRT can only buy articulated buses and vice versa. Bus operators in Hong Kong don't behave that way.
Go read up the history. If you want to argue, SMRT forever copy others, SBS/SBST and TIBS, because SBS is the first one, after Singapore proper bus organisation in the 1970s, to buy Mercedes Benz buses. As for China buses, I don't really care about them. Best is that SBST don't buy any. You don't want them to copy, ok. SMRT go buy China buses only and SBST only buy European buses. Happy?
What about Jap brands? Who should buy them?
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Originally posted by kuang:
First of all, i would like to say that each individual or more specifically, each bus enthusiast is entitled to render support to either one of the two transport giants, or even both SBS Transit and SMRT.
It's not a matter of of who copies who. If you say SMRT copies SBS Transit, i can also say SBS Transit copies SMRT because they bought the Citaro also. So, does that mean they have no standard? It's as similar i'm saying i bought IPhone 4 and another person buys it. Can i also say that person have no standard because he copied me by buying the phone?
MAN bus isn't exclusive only to SBS Transit. Similarly, as much as Tibs and now SMRT Buses prefered choice of bus brand is Mercedes Benz, it is not exclusive to SMRT Buses only. Why do i say that? If it is exclusive to SMRT Buses only, SBS Transit would not be able to purchase 300 Citaros.
Whether it's SMRT Buses or SBS Transit, each company is entitled to any type of bus available on the market, to suit their operating needs. It is very obvious SBS Transit replaces their fleet by the hundreds and not in smaller portions, because after all, they operate close to 3000 buses and maintains a 75% share of the local bus transport in Singapore. SMRT Buses operates close to a fleet of 900 buses. You can't expect SMRT Buses to simply buy buses by the hundreds just because SBS Transit is doing it? It's not like child's play here. I buy 300, they also buy 300. No, it dosen't work that way.
It's all about economical sense. When SBS Transit or SMRT Buses makes a purchase for new buses, i am sure they think long term. In terms of maintenance, spare parts. They can't simply buy this particular bus just because it's nice and the brand is well known. A lot of research has to be done to justify a large purchase.
From my opinion, each company has its own sets of demerits. Just like a human being, nobody's perfect. Nothing in this world is perfect. No system, no machine. There are bound to be flaws. I don't believe they have ruined the current DAF, Scania and even Dennis. I admit, their buses may not be the best or even in the optimal operating conditions, but at least they're trying to make it better by refurbishing the interior. For God's sake, the old Tibs interior just dosen't fit anymore in this day and age we live in. Besides, if they didn't refurbish the Scanias and DAFs, they would be in a much worse condition right now. At least, the refurbished Scanias and DAFs are much more pleasant to ride on than a non refurbished one.
Once again, i would like to stress out that i'm not saying SMRT Buses is perfect, but at least they're trying to make changes for the better. So, don't simply anyhow shoot negative remarks about someone or an organization just because you hate it to the core. Justify your remarks with evidence. Yes, in the past, people thought that SMRT Buses lacks the enthusiasm and courage to run a bus company. But, that has changed. I wouldn't say totally change, but give them a chance to prove themselves worthy
It's just like a guy who has just been released from prison. Don't entirely condemn that person just because he served time in prison and has a criminal record. It's all about giving chances and having faith.
Both SBS Transit and SMRT Buses have their good points and bad points.
On an ending note, i believe SMRT Buses MAN bus will be different from SBS Transit's one. I looked through the MAN brochure and i have to say they have quite a number of chassis for bus operators to choose from. I suspect, however, that SMRT Buses chose the low floor version, similar to the Citaro.
Then why doesn't SMRT buy Volvo? Is the Volvo (especially DD version) exclusive to SBS?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Well said kuang.I'm not an avid SMRT buses supporters nor SBST die hard ginas but as an ex-driver of both co i know whats their weakness and strength first hand unlike somebody who just shoot broken arrows just because he got personal grudge againts this co.
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Originally posted by TIB 781 L:
Most new buses are either given to 851 or 854, then followed by the rest.851 and 854 got the most of it, Whereas 853 was the last one to get the best (out of it.)
Should give new buses to 960 as that one links WDL with city.
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Originally posted by iveco:
Should give new buses to 960 as that one links WDL with city.
Given already. But new buses can't really cope in the morning at BBP...
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Originally posted by iveco:
Then why doesn't SMRT buy Volvo? Is the Volvo (especially DD version) exclusive to SBS?
Firstly, SMRT buses's infrastructure is still not double decker ready yet, this means simply they are not ready to accept any deckers until it is. You need depots to have infrastructure to be able to accept their height, and also washing equipment.
Secondly, if you do keep up with bus news not just within singapore, STA which operates a fleet of b12ble volvo single decks do not really like its fuel consumption. Also, the other viable model of volvo is the b7rle, which you can see sbst went against it and bought citaros instead.
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Originally posted by XiaoTaro:
Firstly, SMRT buses's infrastructure is still not double decker ready yet, this means simply they are not ready to accept any deckers until it is. You need depots to have infrastructure to be able to accept their height, and also washing equipment.
Secondly, if you do keep up with bus news not just within singapore, STA which operates a fleet of b12ble volvo single decks do not really like its fuel consumption. Also, the other viable model of volvo is the b7rle, which you can see sbst went against it and bought citaros instead.
Well, Volvo AU just won a contract to supply buses to TransPerth, and the B12BLEA and B7RLE are among those chosen. The contract with Mercedes is running out but was not renewed. Looks like the Volvos will replace the Renaults wholesale. I'm getting bored of the OC500s and O405NHs right now, and the Volvos will be a refreshing sight.
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Firstly SMRT need to scrap at least 100 O405s for them to buy the new WAB Buses else where on earth they wanna park their buses?If they wanna buy Citaro G yes they can but at least they need to get rid the MKI bendies progressively.Seriously SMRT need to venture land at Bt Batok Ind park to replace Kranji Depot
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Originally posted by iveco:
Well, Volvo AU just won a contract to supply buses to TransPerth, and the B12BLEA and B7RLE are among those chosen. The contract with Mercedes is running out but was not renewed. Looks like the Volvos will replace the Renaults wholesale. I'm getting bored of the OC500s and O405NHs right now, and the Volvos will be a refreshing sight.
That's also the point. If u look at the order, the single deck rigids are either B7RLE or B9RLE(future) with cng. B12BLE is not inside the picture except that they had to replace bendies with b12blea.
I wouldn't comment on the b7rle performance etc, but there has to be a reason why sbst did not keep it, and instead opt for citaro as i mention earlier. Probably the same reason why smrt did not look for volvo single deck too.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Firstly SMRT need to scrap at least 100 O405s for them to buy the new WAB Buses else where on earth they wanna park their buses?If they wanna buy Citaro G yes they can but at least they need to get rid the MKI bendies progressively.Seriously SMRT need to venture land at Bt Batok Ind park to replace Kranji Depot
They can have SBST BBDEP, but the latter must find some land in the vicinity to consolidate BBDEP and ARBP ops. If Pandan loop area has any vacant land, SBST should consider doing so. -
Originally posted by iveco:
They can have SBST BBDEP, but the latter must find some land in the vicinity to consolidate BBDEP and ARBP ops. If Pandan loop area has any vacant land, SBST should consider doing so.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Firstly SMRT need to scrap at least 100 O405s for them to buy the new WAB Buses else where on earth they wanna park their buses?If they wanna buy Citaro G yes they can but at least they need to get rid the MKI bendies progressively.Seriously SMRT need to venture land at Bt Batok Ind park to replace Kranji Depot
Why not Bukit Panjang Int be a bus park also.
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Then like that every int has to be bus park?Seriously KJ need to released some of the BPJ sv to WL.Wldep currently can store about 300buses only due to taxis and private buses park there but WRI can accomodate more than 100 buses so shouldnt be a prob if they control 39 services.AM can minor control some of the services like 980,169,969 etc
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The SMRT Zhongtong is a hybrid bus.
Zhongtong Bus Frequently Wins Orders Recently
2010-09-14 Author：Andrea Source：www.chinabuses.org
Recently, the biggest highlight of Zongtong Bus is a great number of orders when the domestic new energy vehicle builders are actively developing products. Since the order of 350 high-class luxury city buses from the city bus project operated by French VEOLIA in Morocco with the competition over dozens of foreign famous bus builders such as Benz, Volvo, MAN and Scania, Zhongtong Bus has gained many orders for new energy buses and chassis from many countries and regions.
In this August, the company will deliver 30 hybrid power buses to the customers in Singapore; sign the order of 300 electric buses with customers from Taiwan and the one of over 600 chassis from Saudi Arabia, Iran. Based on related data, it possibly obtains the new energy order of more than 800 units in this year.
i wonder who bought the 30 Zhongtong hybrid buses.