Bus 87 hit by crane at Bedok North Road
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I think the bangladesh failed to operate the crane.. And i think he needs more practice
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
who on earth slows down to do an overtaking manouver??
I want to tear my hair out liao. Speechless.......
Under normal circumstances, u speed up to overtake. Fine.
But hey, I am talking about 2 giants going side by side.
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Originally posted by jgho83:
I want to tear my hair out liao. Speechless.......
Under normal circumstances, u speed up to overtake. Fine.
But hey, I am talking about 2 giants going side by side.
even if the bus driver slows down to a snail's pace, the impact of the crane would still cause substantial damage. and what do you know about his speed during impact? you conveniently assume that he was going very fast to have caused such damage. do you realise that braking distance also plays a part in this case?
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Regardless, the crane should not have protruded out of the cordoned work space and in this instance, the crane operator is already legally at fault. If its necessary to have more workspace, the contractor should have cordoned off a wider section of the road to work with. Just wait and see how MOM deals with this matter.
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Originally posted by jgho83:
So u are saying the bus is travelling at a slow speed, and slow speed causes such a horrible outcome? Thats quite an analysis.
I only can say w/ the material of e crane smashing into the bus, it can be fatal. Speed is just only a factor to e degree of damage.
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Originally posted by SBS8730A:
I think the bangladesh failed to operate the crane.. And i think he needs more practice
All crane operators must be qualified and possess a certificate to operate after attending and passing the course at BCA. Or else, its illegal to operate the crane. -
think there was a case involving a sv151 NAC MK2 about 4 to 6 years back, also a crane smashed into the bus. Anyone recall?
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Quoted from the article in yahoo:
"The bus was behind the lorry when it went to the middle lane. But little did the bus driver know that the head of the crane was protruding into the middle lane, and this scraped against the side of the bus."
This is a crucial paragraph which summarizes and points out the exact cause of the accident. The crane driver had negligently allowed the head of the crane to protrude to the middle lane, and inferring from this paragraph, the bus captain was obviously at the lower deck and thus having the possibility of not knowing this happening at the top deck (bear in mind there is no digital footage of the upper deck like those in the new buses), thereby not stopping the bus on time which contributed to the crane scraping the whole row of windows, further causing innocent casulties.
In conclusion, I believe a large part of the responsibility shall lie in the part of the contractor, while the responsilibility of the BC shall also be accounted to too for this accident.
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
i stand by my position that you, as someone who does not have a driving license yet, are fully unaware of how driving habits work.haha. i just LOVE this part right here.
Originally posted by sbst275:
As for accident, does not mean SBS or whoever has to take responsibility. Just like passengers fall down because a car cut right in front of e bus means bus co gotta take responsibilty?you've got a point. but do you remember the story about the woman who sued McDonald's because she slipped on their wet floor?
Originally posted by Dragonaxe:
BC's job is to drive bus, not to look at branches and cranes.eh, what rubbish is this. you got class 4? been to the lessons before? no?
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
even if the bus driver slows down to a snail's pace, the impact of the crane would still cause substantial damage. and what do you know about his speed during impact? you conveniently assume that he was going very fast to have caused such damage. do you realise that braking distance also plays a part in this case?
Sry dude, I think u got it wrong. But correct me if I am wrong.
When u talk about braking distance, i believe it means the distance between something directly in front or directly behind u. (ie whether u going to smash into ppl's car butt or vice versa)
In the case of the bus and the crane, going side by side, how will your so call braking distance apply?
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Originally posted by muziq bus:
haha. i just LOVE this part right here.
you've got a point. but do you remember the story about the woman who sued McDonald's because she slipped on their wet floor?
eh, what rubbish is this. you got class 4? been to the lessons before? no?
in the US I can sue anyone but tis is Singapore.But wait, as like insurance you've to see who's at fault. Just like I cut into e way of e bus, some car drivers dun understand heavy vehicle braking distance is longer than car and they can't brake immediately/ heavily because of standee.
Tat's why to sidetalk, why their healthcare is so costly.
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Originally posted by jgho83:
I want to tear my hair out liao. Speechless.......
Under normal circumstances, u speed up to overtake. Fine.
But hey, I am talking about 2 giants going side by side.
By anyway,
Theres no need for the bus to speed up since the lorry is already in a stationary position isnt it ?
Dont see the reason why the bus need to speed up when the bus stop is near to the scene of accident.Lets say the bus did speed up.
from the photos shown is pretty obvious that its the crane's fault as the bus did not even "eat" into the left most lane (the lane the lorry was on). -
Originally posted by jgho83:
Sry dude, I think u got it wrong. But correct me if I am wrong.
When u talk about braking distance, i believe it means the distance between something directly in front or directly behind u. (ie whether u going to smash into ppl's car butt or vice versa)
In the case of the bus and the crane, going side by side, how will your so call braking distance apply?
so in your little fantasy world, vehicles IMMEDIATELY come to a stop when the brakes are applied. so inertia doesn't exist in your world it seems? even with a side impact you expect the bus to stop immediately without moving any distance?
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Anybody ask this question?
1)BC should on the road or at the sky where your eyes is to be suppose on the road 95% of the time.
2) I don know why the crane should be on the right side at that point of time as the BC was suppose to be going near a bus stop at that time so that vehicle should not even be there in the first place. As such vehicle can climb onto the pedestrial road, drive over curb and do the prunning.
3) That road is very selffish as there are little space for the BC to actually drive thru from first lane to 3rd lane and within 100m, need to stop in bus stop. You think is driving super machine ah, you teach the BC how to do it without offending anyone.
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Seriously speaking, it all exposes how ppl think bus driving/ heavy vehicle = car.
They ought to drive a loaded 2.5 ton van one fine day
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
so in your little fantasy world, vehicles IMMEDIATELY come to a stop when the brakes are applied. so inertia doesn't exist in your world it seems? even with a side impact you expect the bus to stop immediately without moving any distance?
I am in the real world dude. Look who's talking. I didnt say the bus will stop immediatedly.
I said previously, if the speed of the bus is slow enough, the outcome wont be so horrible.
Did u read carefully and fully comprehend what i meant?
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You need a lot of skill to drive a heavy vehicle when the BC is putting all his mind on the road. You think he is going to see the sky. Final thing, i operate crane before, first thing is never ever turn your crane on the road as your crane never put and state that how much height you need then can pass.
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
think there was a case involving a sv151 NAC MK2 about 4 to 6 years back, also a crane smashed into the bus. Anyone recall?
yes, i kanna a similar accident 5-6 yrs ago on bus 151 near the ubi driving center. the bus smashed into a construction beam, which pierced thru the bus from the center to back.
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Originally posted by jgho83:
I am in the real world dude. Look who's talking. I didnt say the bus will stop immediatedly.
I said previously, if the speed of the bus is slow enough, the outcome wont be so horrible.
Did u read carefully and fully comprehend what i meant?
So u do expect the bus to be travelling at less than 10km/h when overtaking vehicles ?
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Originally posted by jgho83:
I am in the real world dude. Look who's talking. I didnt say the bus will stop immediatedly.
I said previously, if the speed of the bus is slow enough, the outcome wont be so horrible.
Did u read carefully and fully comprehend what i meant?
are you the accident investigator? can you provide me the data projections as to the ideal speed the bus should travel at so that the 'outcome wont be so horrible'?
even if the BC was driving at 20kmh the damage would most likely be largely similar to what had happened. but which reasonable driver would do 20kmh along a trunk road and moreover, had assessed to have sufficient side clearance to move faster than that?
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Originally posted by hellfire_1646:
Anybody ask this question?
1)BC should on the road or at the sky where your eyes is to be suppose on the road 95% of the time.
2) I don know why the crane should be on the right side at that point of time as the BC was suppose to be going near a bus stop at that time so that vehicle should not even be there in the first place. As such vehicle can climb onto the pedestrial road, drive over curb and do the prunning.
3) That road is very selffish as there are little space for the BC to actually drive thru from first lane to 3rd lane and within 100m, need to stop in bus stop. You think is driving super machine ah, you teach the BC how to do it without offending anyone.
gosh gosh. this is not a car mind you. its a class 4 vehicle. if you see a that type of lorry with a crane on the side of the road, you must be aware of the potential hazard that the lorry might do.
Originally posted by sbst275:Seriously speaking, it all exposes how ppl think bus driving/ heavy vehicle = car.
They ought to drive a loaded 2.5 ton van one fine day
i agree. class 4 vehicles are not the same as driving a car.
i've driven things which are like 4.3m high and weighs 18 tonnes.
currently driving something which is even heavier and is 17metres long.
if you pay attention to only hazards and not potential hazards, then seriously, dont even think of driving something beyond class 3 vehicles. sheeesshh.. -
Originally posted by keropoking:
yes, i kanna a similar accident 5-6 yrs ago on bus 151 near the ubi driving center. the bus smashed into a construction beam, which pierced thru the bus from the center to back.
In your opinion, how fast was the bus travelling?
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That bus is only travelling at 20km/hr. As it just did a turn into bedok north road and it need to press on the fuel as you are going on an uphill? Do you guys drive and actually forget your practical?
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Originally posted by jgho83:
But think.
The bus must be travelling at a fast speed just as it was about to pass the crane. If not, how do u explain the horrible carnage?
The bus driver, in that time, should have slow down and do a overtaking.
The key thing here is the speed, slow down. (which doesnt seem to be the case)
You are coming from a car driver's point of view. A bus has a much larger momentum even at low speeds, so low you'll cry but it's enough to cause sizeable damage to something like a car.
And I'm sure he is slow enough to have stopped the bus in 8 metres from the point of impact to the end of impact, and that takes into account reaction time too. I don't understand where the 20 metres come from, when the length of the bus itself is only 12 metres.
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Originally posted by jgho83:
Sry dude, I think u got it wrong. But correct me if I am wrong.
When u talk about braking distance, i believe it means the distance between something directly in front or directly behind u. (ie whether u going to smash into ppl's car butt or vice versa)
In the case of the bus and the crane, going side by side, how will your so call braking distance apply?
if he don't brake in time, the whole upper deck will be smashed until the crane is out of the bus.