Navy Open House Shuttles (SMRT)
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Originally posted by sbst275:
They've totally forgotten who they're serving for.It's the people that has created Singapore wat it is today.
Remembered wat SPH said abt NEL and why MRT is packed?
certainly
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That explains why TIB747L stays on 859 today instead of cameoing on other WRI services.
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i saw and rided on SMB44J for the shuttle
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
There are more than tt... saw a bus with tag Bus 90
Add on:
SMB69M, SMB34M,SMB64B,SMB43L, SMB46D,SMB133K,
TIB507M,TIB730J, TIB733B,TIB765J,TIB525K, TIB794A, TIB572Z,TIB804E,TIB593M,TIB807Y,TIB580A,TIB466Y,TIB625E, TIB432U,TIB527E,TIB472,TIB560H,TIB512Y,TIB610Y,TIB808U,
TIB619Z,TIB518G,TIB550L,TIB498E,TIB503
PA4076K,PA2054L
TIB543H runnin RWS88, spotted at junction of Coleman St, Hill StNon-OC doing RWS88? I thought RWS8 and RWS88 have to use OC?
Also, Yutong not doing NOH shuttle today? Saw it yesterday with blue bus pass.
What's the diff between Orange and Blue Bus Pass?
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Originally posted by Raraken:
Non-OC doing RWS88? I thought RWS8 and RWS88 have to use OC?
Also, Yutong not doing NOH shuttle today? Saw it yesterday with blue bus pass.
What's the diff between Orange and Blue Bus Pass?
RWS8 did use 0405 before.. and RWS 88 seems to be using 0405 quite often for weekends... No. There's no Yutong today for the shuttle. Blue pass is only 1 way shuttle.. as for orange pass is through and back. (Do correct me if im wrong, thanks) -
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Pity all SMRT bus users today/tomorrow...
Actually, the scheduled fleet on a normal Saturday and Sunday is about 15% lower than the Weekday scheduled fleet so they definitely have enough spare buses to go around for such events without commuters feeling any difference from other weekends. it's running the shuttles yesterday and on Thursday that make things seem a bit tight, like having to return in time for evening swing.
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Shuttle Buses for NOH (Gathered Information)
SMB20C (AMDEP SP/RWS8)
SMB34M (AMDEP 67)
SMB43L (KJDEP 307)
SMB46D (AMDEP 851)
SMB59S (KJDEP 172)
SMB64B (AMDEP 171)
SMB69M (KJDEP 172)
SMB78L (AMDEP 851)
SMB80D (AMDEP 851)
SMB81B (AMDEP 851)
SMB82Z (AMDEP 851)
SMB83X (KJDEP 970)
SMB84T (KJDEP 970)
SMB89E (KJDEP 970)
SMB101C (AMDEP 171)
SMB104U (KJDEP 970)
SMB106P (KJDEP 970)
SMB109G (KJDEP SP)
SMB114R (KJDEP 67)
SMB117H (KJDEP 67)
SMB124L (KJDEP 75)
SMB126G (AMDEP SP)
SMB131R (WLDEP 961)
SMB132M (WLDEP 961)
SMB133K (WLDEP 961)
SMB134H (WLDEP SP)
TIB425R (WLDEP 61)
TIB426M (WLDEP 61)
TIB432U (WLDEP 963)
TIB441T (WLDEP 857)
TIB442R (KJDEP 970)
TIB443M (KJDEP 75)
TIB448A (WLDEP 950)
TIB454G (WLDEP 912)
TIB455B (WLDEP 950)
TIB466Y (WLDEP 950)
TIB472D (WLDEP 857)
TIB495M (AMDEP 67)
TIB503Z (AMDEP 61)
TIB507M (AMDEP 965)
TIB512Y (KJDEP 67)
TIB518G (AMDEP 67)
TIB525K (WLDEP SP/TRG)
TIB527E (AMDEP 969)
TIB531S (AMDEP 969)
TIB548U (KJDEP 188)
TIB549S (KJDEP 188)
TIB550L (AMDEP 106)
TIB554B (KJDEP 188)
TIB560H (KJDEP 188)
TIB572Z (AMDEP 969)
TIB580A (AMDEP 67)
TIB593M (WLDEP 966)
TIB610Y (KJDEP SP)
TIB614L (AMDEP 965)
TIB619Z (AMDEP 167)
TIB621R (AMDEP 61)
TIB625E (KJDEP 970)
TIB634D (KJDEP 190)
TIB730J (WLDEP 858)
TIB733B (WLDEP 858)
TIB739K (WLDEP 961)
TIB760Y (WLDEP 859)
TIB762S (WLDEP 859)
TIB765J (AMDEP 961)
TIB772M (WLDEP SP)
TIB786Z (AMDEP SP)
TIB788T (AMDEP SP)
TIB789R (WLDEP 61)
TIB790K (WLDEP 177/925)
TIB794A (WLDEP 177/925)
TIB804E (WLDEP 61)
TIB807Y (KJDEP 75)
TIB808U (WLDEP 963)
TIB809S (KJDEP 188/300)
TIB815Z (WLDEP SP)
TIB816X (WLDEP SP)
TIB821E (KJDEP 75)
TIB824Y (KJDEP 75)
TIB943L (AMDEP 854/853)
TIB1006K (AMDEP SP)
PA716Z (AMDEP Private Lance)
PA4076K (AMDEP Private Lance)
PA2054L (AMDEP Chartered Service)
Blue - AMDEP
Red - KJDEP
Green - WLDEP -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Actually, the scheduled fleet on a normal Saturday and Sunday is about 15% lower than the Weekday scheduled fleet so they definitely have enough spare buses to go around for such events without commuters feeling any difference from other weekends. it's running the shuttles yesterday and on Thursday that make things seem a bit tight, like having to return in time for evening swing.
But that doesn't mean that they should take up such services during weekends. Some of their services dated ages back during weekends don't have good frequancies at all. Why not use part of these resources to improve bus services during the weekends instead? And the BCs don't need to rest on weekends after working everyday in the weekdays?School shuttle buses are good enough to be provided for private operators. Public bus operators should refrain from taking up such services and focus on their main business, especially their main business is simply screwed up, and their resources are so limited.
Originally posted by off_service:So you are saying SBS Transit is not a profit driven organisation?
At least SBST uses its resources for its basic purpose of its business, although it is quite sad that they have stopped bus chartering services.Originally posted by Acx1688:Pity all SMRT bus users today/tomorrow...
Originally posted by sbst275:
They've totally forgotten who they're serving for.It's the people that has created Singapore wat it is today.
Remembered wat SPH said abt NEL and why MRT is packed?
What is new from a fully profit driven and totally irresponsible company that only cares about their earnings and forget what is their main purpose of business?I hope that Resorts World Sentosa will fine SMRT heavily, since SMRT have again and again violated the contract of using low floor buses on RWS. And cancel the contract and pass it to other private bus operators. They are not even supposed to provide such kind of secondary bus services when their basic bus services are in a mess and not fulfilling requirements. Irresponsible.
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Don't look at it from the coporate side only. You have to look at the workforce also. See if they are commited or not. I have seen some who are commited and some who are not. It's a mixed bag of reasons why things happen. SMRT Buses at least had improved their performance last year by producing a lower loss as compared to the year before.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Actually, the scheduled fleet on a normal Saturday and Sunday is about 15% lower than the Weekday scheduled fleet so they definitely have enough spare buses to go around for such events without commuters feeling any difference from other weekends. it's running the shuttles yesterday and on Thursday that make things seem a bit tight, like having to return in time for evening swing.
i did not use any SMRT svc yest so no comments but i believe more SMRT buses wll be deployed as it is sunday and the weather is very good as at 0830hrs[compared to yest's gloomy,drizzle sky]...
so...
Further to add on, parts of the city centre will have roads closed so delays due to route diversion will make SMRT bus commmuters more pissed... -
Actually if there's 90 buses (a small being PA plates) tat was pulled into OH, it's quite big alrdy.
Dun forget SMRT has to add in more buses for RWS on weekends as well. RWS8, RWS88, 188R & 963R. The additional fleet for SDs here alone is at least 25 buses. Not to mention 67, 853, 926, 961, 969, 980's special sunday requirement.
Even if for tis special week, bendies are able to be pulled into 61, 67, 106, 172, 176, 180, 184, 187, 188, 189, 190, 300, 302, 700A, 800, 804, 806, 811, 812, 851, 854, 856, 857, 859, 900, 901, 903, 911, 912, 913, 960, 962, 963 it's going to be quite straining and tight thks to weekend committments.
Svs 177, 925, 964, 981 can free up SDs though.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
But that doesn't mean that they should take up such services during weekends. Some of their services dated ages back during weekends don't have good frequancies at all. Why not use part of these resources to improve bus services during the weekends instead? And the BCs don't need to rest on weekends after working everyday in the weekdays?School shuttle buses are good enough to be provided for private operators. Public bus operators should refrain from taking up such services and focus on their main business, especially their main business is simply screwed up, and their resources are so limited.
At least SBST uses its resources for its basic purpose of its business, although it is quite sad that they have stopped bus chartering services.
What is new from a fully profit driven and totally irresponsible company that only cares about their earnings and forget what is their main purpose of business?
I hope that Resorts World Sentosa will fine SMRT heavily, since SMRT have again and again violated the contract of using low floor buses on RWS. And cancel the contract and pass it to other private bus operators. They are not even supposed to provide such kind of secondary bus services when their basic bus services are in a mess and not fulfilling requirements. Irresponsible.
Seriously, look at the number of buses idling inside depots, SBST or SMRT, on a normal weekend. These buses could be put to better use. In fact, not optimizing the use of SBST buses must have been a non-commercial reason, because it's the logical thing to do to charter the buses out.
Scheduled fleet on weekends are totally dependent on loading, and actual statistics have shown that passenger count for a typical feeder service is only 90% on Saturdays and 70% on Sundays compared to working Weekdays. Deploying the same fleet count on weekends mean drivers have less chance to be rostered for regular off-days, certain maintenance is not possible & cost outlay is not matched with expected revenue. We're not going to have open houses every weekend!
In fact, putting these buses to good use (like increasing capacity provision at RWS) on certain weekends allow better use of these buses and opens up the possibility for certain drivers who don't mind coming back to work for double pay.
At the end of all these, we need to ask ourselves, is there even QoS for loading applicable on weekends?
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Seriously, look at the number of buses idling inside depots, SBST or SMRT, on a normal weekend. These buses could be put to better use. In fact, not optimizing the use of SBST buses must have been a non-commercial reason, because it's the logical thing to do to charter the buses out.
Scheduled fleet on weekends are totally dependent on loading, and actual statistics have shown that passenger count for a typical feeder service is only 90% on Saturdays and 70% on Sundays compared to working Weekdays. Deploying the same fleet count on weekends mean drivers have less chance to be rostered for regular off-days, certain maintenance is not possible & cost outlay is not matched with expected revenue. We're not going to have open houses every weekend!
In fact, putting these buses to good use (like increasing capacity provision at RWS) on certain weekends allow better use of these buses and opens up the possibility for certain drivers who don't mind coming back to work for double pay.
At the end of all these, we need to ask ourselves, is there even QoS for loading applicable on weekends?
Resource allocation is important but not to the expense of compromising service standards. Bus companies should take the initiative to monitor the service standards during weekends. Low ridership on weekends for some routes doesn't mean that it applies to other routes. And these routes came to their ownership for their responsibilty to provide a good service standards to commuters, regardless peak or non peak. If bus companies always need the rules and regulations like Qos to determine their service operations standards, then something is very wrong with their way of providing quality service standards. And not all of their shuttle services are on weekends, how about IKEA shuttle services, other than using the PA buses?
As known, our buses are always overworked in our public bus operations. In this case, shouldn't these buses be resting during the weekends if necessary and scheduled for maintainance and cleaning so as to reduce the chances of overworking/overheating and breakdown rates when they are deployed for more prioritised and demanding working hours during the weekdays?
SMRT is always contradicting with themselves. At first, their bus services are having service standards lapse like poor frequencies, dirty buses, etc and their excuse is that they have not enough resources like buses and drivers. Then when it comes to bus renewal, they don't want to purchase a few more new buses to replace the older and badly maintained buses, which already should have taken off from service, despite the company as a whole making millions of profits year after year.
Rather they continue to limit new bus fleets and still claiming their nonsense of limited resources, they can still go into secondary shuttle bus services where their basic bus operations are still having many service standards lapses. We commuters pay for their services, and always have to give in to their increasing fares. They bought in new buses, however, choose to use some of them to provide secondary shuttle services, while the public commuters are already hoping that they can replace the older and badly maintained ones, which they still choose to keep and extend their lifespan and continue using these poorly mainitained buses. Moreover these new buses can improve the frequencies for many of their services while some of the older fleets can be scheduled for resting, cleaning and maintanance instead.
Their existance is still providing public bus services. If they are so keen on private shuttle services, then give up the basic public bus services to other companies. Don't let commuters pay more to suffer from poor services.
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Look how many spare buses at WLDEP currently. There are many SP rigids, mostly from KJDEP and AMDEP due to intaking of OCs. But most of the rigids still never perm any service yet.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
i did not use any SMRT svc yest so no comments but i believe more SMRT buses wll be deployed as it is sunday and the weather is very good as at 0830hrs[compared to yest's gloomy,drizzle sky]...
so...
Further to add on, parts of the city centre will have roads closed so delays due to route diversion will make SMRT bus commmuters more pissed...if they have heart, they'll add another bus to the affected services, or even better do a new schedule with additional running time and use the bus to mitigate the increase in headway.
that will cost a couple of buses for the few affected routes. definitely no problems deploying them, just whether they are willing to go through the hassle or not.
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Originally posted by SMB92U:
Shuttle Buses for NOH (Gathered Information)
TIB572Z (AMDEP 969)
AMDEP put in the only Alux shiny rim bus on NAVY shuttle to show off?
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
AMDEP put in the only Alux shiny rim bus on NAVY shuttle to show off?No point. The bus rims are already simmilar to KUB condition. A little dusty but not as bad as KUB.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Resource allocation is important but not to the expense of compromising service standards. Bus companies should take the initiative to monitor the service standards during weekends. Low ridership on weekends for some routes doesn't mean that it applies to other routes. And these routes came to their ownership for their responsibilty to provide a good service standards to commuters, regardless peak or non peak. If bus companies always need the rules and regulations like Qos to determine their service operations standards, then something is very wrong with their way of providing quality service standards. And not all of their shuttle services are on weekends, how about IKEA shuttle services, other than using the PA buses?
As known, our buses are always overworked in our public bus operations. In this case, shouldn't these buses be resting during the weekends if necessary and scheduled for maintainance and cleaning so as to reduce the chances of overworking/overheating and breakdown rates when they are deployed for more prioritised and demanding working hours during the weekdays?
SMRT is always contradicting with themselves. At first, their bus services are having service standards lapse like poor frequencies, dirty buses, etc and their excuse is that they have not enough resources like buses and drivers. Then when it comes to bus renewal, they don't want to purchase a few more new buses to replace the older and badly maintained buses, which already should have taken off from service, despite the company as a whole making millions of profits year after year.
Rather they continue to limit new bus fleets and still claiming their nonsense of limited resources, they can still go into secondary shuttle bus services where their basic bus operations are still having many service standards lapses. We commuters pay for their services, and always have to give in to their increasing fares. They bought in new buses, however, choose to use some of them to provide secondary shuttle services, while the public commuters are already hoping that they can replace the older and badly maintained ones, which they still choose to keep and extend their lifespan and continue using these poorly mainitained buses. Moreover these new buses can improve the frequencies for many of their services while some of the older fleets can be scheduled for resting, cleaning and maintanance instead.
Their existance is still providing public bus services. If they are so keen on private shuttle services, then give up the basic public bus services to other companies. Don't let commuters pay more to suffer from poor services.
For your information & to cut everything short, SMRT do get paid for doing shuttle services. There is also a thing called spare bus and swing break. There is also a thing called chartered drivers.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Seriously, look at the number of buses idling inside depots, SBST or SMRT, on a normal weekend. These buses could be put to better use. In fact, not optimizing the use of SBST buses must have been a non-commercial reason, because it's the logical thing to do to charter the buses out.
Scheduled fleet on weekends are totally dependent on loading, and actual statistics have shown that passenger count for a typical feeder service is only 90% on Saturdays and 70% on Sundays compared to working Weekdays. Deploying the same fleet count on weekends mean drivers have less chance to be rostered for regular off-days, certain maintenance is not possible & cost outlay is not matched with expected revenue. We're not going to have open houses every weekend!
In fact, putting these buses to good use (like increasing capacity provision at RWS) on certain weekends allow better use of these buses and opens up the possibility for certain drivers who don't mind coming back to work for double pay.
At the end of all these, we need to ask ourselves, is there even QoS for loading applicable on weekends?
I find it a waste of you taking your time to explain to individuals who refuses to see the better sides of things. But your explanation gives a good insight in layman terms without a biased view.
Frequencies of buses today in fact can be seen as better compared to some other weekends, probably due to crowds thronging to the Navy Open House.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Seriously, look at the number of buses idling inside depots, SBST or SMRT, on a normal weekend. These buses could be put to better use. In fact, not optimizing the use of SBST buses must have been a non-commercial reason, because it's the logical thing to do to charter the buses out.
Scheduled fleet on weekends are totally dependent on loading, and actual statistics have shown that passenger count for a typical feeder service is only 90% on Saturdays and 70% on Sundays compared to working Weekdays. Deploying the same fleet count on weekends mean drivers have less chance to be rostered for regular off-days, certain maintenance is not possible & cost outlay is not matched with expected revenue. We're not going to have open houses every weekend!
In fact, putting these buses to good use (like increasing capacity provision at RWS) on certain weekends allow better use of these buses and opens up the possibility for certain drivers who don't mind coming back to work for double pay.
At the end of all these, we need to ask ourselves, is there even QoS for loading applicable on weekends?
tammie repeated this post for (n+1) number of times already :(
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That explains why there are 3 Hino cameos on 75 today (Info from SBS8533C)
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
if they have heart, they'll add another bus to the affected services, or even better do a new schedule with additional running time and use the bus to mitigate the increase in headway.
that will cost a couple of buses for the few affected routes. definitely no problems deploying them, just whether they are willing to go through the hassle or not.
I had no problems commuting with SMRT over the weekend...It's just insensitive people that have clouded judgements. Ignore them. :)
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
if they have heart, they'll add another bus to the affected services, or even better do a new schedule with additional running time and use the bus to mitigate the increase in headway.
that will cost a couple of buses for the few affected routes. definitely no problems deploying them, just whether they are willing to go through the hassle or not.
Road closure was quite short period, so dun tink SMRT deployed more buses...
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What is the DAF on servics today??