SMRT Trials Mercedes Benz Citaro (O530)
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
Would be good as well if SMRT buys Citaro Gs & Citaro Capacitys.
Citaro full cell bus?
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Originally posted by nenepokey:
most likely a Citaro G. best comes if got 4 doors...
4 door = Higher chance of fare evasion.
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Hi all
To clarify there is no such thing as Citaro Capapcity.
however the Citaro
and Capacity
are two seperate integral products offered by Benz.
other integral products are
Citaro G
Citaro LE
Citaro KCitaro U
Integro
Tourismo
Travego -
forogt one more in the Gen 2 line up
Sprinter
ahahahah
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Citaro full cell bus?
the Fuel Cell buses involved in HyFleet CUTE project has ended. All Fuel Cell Citaros are no longer on roads. the buses were for trials only for up to 2 years max. All buses were returned to Damiler or Merc...Beijing
Sydney (Dave: was it perth???/)
had Fuel Cell Citaro on trials
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Originally posted by TIB1224Y:
This example has 29 fixed seats including 3 'granny' seats plus one fold-up seat. Means total of 30 seats if fold-up not removed. One wheelchair slot.
sounds like "The Singapore Citaro" has more leg room?ZYX
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Originally posted by nenepokey:
most likely a Citaro G. best comes if got 4 doors...
Citaro Gs look good. like Citaro long..lol -
Citaro:
Awarded European Bus of the year 2007.
Coming soon
to Singapore.
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SMRT Citaro is from Thailand?
"A prove for that is that TBB delivered 113 Mercedes Benz Citaro's (bluetec and Euro 5 standards) to Singapore SMRT.
Yes Singapore is ordering buses from Thailand!
That means a lot as they have very high standards and expectations as Europe and still most Singaporeans think they are imported directly from Germany!
So Thai buses might be even exported to Europe (if it wouldn't be that far away).
But I've seen never any news about the sucessful exports of buses. Why?"Source: http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?p=26287 (Post: #68)
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Originally posted by The Soon:
SMRT Citaro is from Thailand?
"A prove for that is that TBB delivered 113 Mercedes Benz Citaro's (bluetec and Euro 5 standards) to Singapore SMRT.
Yes Singapore is ordering buses from Thailand!
That means a lot as they have very high standards and expectations as Europe and still most Singaporeans think they are imported directly from Germany!
So Thai buses might be even exported to Europe (if it wouldn't be that far away).
But I've seen never any news about the sucessful exports of buses. Why?"Source: http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?p=26287 (Post: #68)
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Originally posted by The Soon:
SMRT Citaro is from Thailand?
"A prove for that is that TBB delivered 113 Mercedes Benz Citaro's (bluetec and Euro 5 standards) to Singapore SMRT.
Yes Singapore is ordering buses from Thailand!
That means a lot as they have very high standards and expectations as Europe and still most Singaporeans think they are imported directly from Germany!
So Thai buses might be even exported to Europe (if it wouldn't be that far away).
But I've seen never any news about the sucessful exports of buses. Why?"Source: http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?p=26287 (Post: #68)
this source reliable?
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Originally posted by nenepokey:
this source reliable?
113 sia,smrt ordered only 66
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Maybe balance for Citaro G bendy which has an option of euro 5 or EEV.12 litre 354hp/1600nm?Who knows?SMRT always love to surprise.BTW more hp and torque is better for bendy as they need it for the loads that they carried.(Prevent overheating too).Citaro rigid has an option of ZF6 speed or 4 speed Voith.Heard that the new engine is more reliable than its 7 litre cousin..Capacity is a no for SG roads.More than 18m,Current bendies already create hoo haa..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Maybe balance for Citaro G bendy which has an option of euro 5 or EEV.12 litre 354hp/1600nm?Who knows?SMRT always love to surprise.BTW more hp and torque is better for bendy as they need it for the loads that they carried.(Prevent overheating too).Citaro rigid has an option of ZF6 speed or 4 speed Voith.Heard that the new engine is more reliable than its 7 litre cousin..Capacity is a no for SG roads.More than 18m,Current bendies already create hoo haa..
well...the Capacity are 20m right?
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Originally posted by nenepokey:
this source reliable?
Not very reliable. The user may have been pointing at the Thai-bodied OC500LE buses.
Citaro is made in Germany, if they are shipped from Thailand as a rejected batch, how do we analyze that of the delivery slip?
For those folks who have seen the deliver slip that comes with the bus, its loaded at port BRV, which is essentially Bremerhaven in Germany and destination port of Singapore.
Furthermore I think he is quite naive to say, quote "still most Singaporeans think they are imported directly from Germany!". I expect most bus fans here to know, for the OC500LE buses, that the bodywork is done in Thailand and chassis does come from Spain, made by Evobus under Mercedes Benz. Truly what this Thai guy says has much to be desired...
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Originally posted by TIB1224Y:
Not very reliable. The user may have been pointing at the Thai-bodied OC500LE buses.
Citaro is made in Germany, if they are shipped from Thailand as a rejected batch, how do we analyze that of the delivery slip?
For those folks who have seen the deliver slip that comes with the bus, its loaded at port BRV, which is essentially Bremerhaven in Germany and destination port of Singapore.
Furthermore I think he is quite naive to say, quote "still most Singaporeans think they are imported directly from Germany!". I expect most bus fans here to know, for the OC500LE buses, that the bodywork is done in Thailand and chassis does come from Spain, made by Evobus under Mercedes Benz. Truly what this Thai guy says has much to be desired...
Plus Evobus did not have any factories outside europe, if im not wrong. That's due to market demand. Most of Evobus orders came from europe and not asia pacific.
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Ok, so would we expect to see it before SBST Wright? I believe the one parked at CnC is a demo right?
Cheers.
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it is plain fact that Citaros production is mainly based in germany. .
Again i will express my expectation that the bus interior will resemble a conventional Gen 2 Citaro in Bucarest, Dubai or Paris or (except London lah, they mostly use the 2004 version which i call gen 1. ).
let's continue looking forward to the arrival of the first Citaro on public revenue.. -=)
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Maybe balance for Citaro G bendy which has an option of euro 5 or EEV.12 litre 354hp/1600nm?Who knows?SMRT always love to surprise.BTW more hp and torque is better for bendy as they need it for the loads that they carried.(Prevent overheating too).Citaro rigid has an option of ZF6 speed or 4 speed Voith.Heard that the new engine is more reliable than its 7 litre cousin..Capacity is a no for SG roads.More than 18m,Current bendies already create hoo haa..
the gearbox where can have option for Voith. maybe they offer,lah .(Trasnlation from Singlish: The gearbolox can't possibly be a Voith. Perhaps they do offer the option, yes)but the axle part is from ZF (Dave mentioned) and so it is therefore cost effective to use a ZF gearbox...same brand, cost savings..hahha kidding
OK lah, MAN vs Mercedes in Germany. How about that: . They will want to comepte. hence Citaros usually coupled with ZF and MAN Lion's City coupled with Voith. natural competition.
seriusoly i can;t imagine a Citaro sounding like a Voith MAn Lion;'s City...
ZYX
> edit. that was said assuming its a citaro gen 2 of 2006. this is 2009. so it comes with Voith as most likely. However SMRTB do indeed have the option of the regular Zf 6 speed Ecomat or ecolite modles.
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Originally posted by TIB1224Y:
The engine is mounted to the left of the vehicle (near-side). The radiator is on the other side (off-side).
MAN (Lion City full low floor models) and Volvo (7700 etc) do such placements as well. For double decks, the Neoplan Centroliner uses this placement.
Other than a side placement, an engine can be mounted transversely as well to accommodate a full low floor setting. This was done on the year 2000 Isuzu Erga (KL-LV834系 フルノンステップ�ス/type B) full non-step bus model (presently discontinued) and is the only few Japanese buses that incorporate this technology. The others include the year 1996 UA Non-step bus series (later the Nissan Spacerunner) F type (FHI bodywork) and the N type (Nishi-nippon Shatai bodywork) KC/KL-UA272/460, CNG and diesel versions.
To differentiate a low floor bus and a low-entry bus, full low floor is used here to show that the bus is step-less along the entire corridor. A Citaro is a full low floor, a OC is a low entry.
sbst should order the 7700's then. not 1100 pieces of crap. -
alright people
my apologies for some of the wrong info
Dave has given me some further info on the Citaro.
Previuso assumption "regular Citaro gen 2"
Wrong.
it shoud be "2009 model line-up Citaro gen 2"let's clear things up
1) Comes with Voith 854.3 (4 speed)
> Hmmm Not ZF... tad disappointing.
2) City Star Eco seating is an option
> Did SMRTBuses opt for it???/
3) The EDS option given is as explained by Dave - Hanova
>> is Gorba correct?4) Engine could well be a 906 series , or could be the conventional 457hLA that we are so used to
>>> Will be exciting if its 906 series engine
>>> 5) Citaro Fuel Cells have not been terminated. they are alive and well and using a new technology call hub motors to drive axles. No more gearboxes needed. These are known as gen 3 Fuel Cell Citaros6) Fog lamps are an option on the bumper...
>> I feel makes the bus front look nicer7) blueprints seem to show zero step all the way to rear seat with one step to mount the rear seat
>> i really shd get used to vertical standing engines.. really too used to Citaro LE pictures..hahah. but to me just having one step to climb to your rear most seat is really something
8? Blue prints show normal seating includes backward facing seats >> blue rpint just na example. wonder how SMRT arranged the rear seats.
9) Noted in options PIW bays with fold up seats. however likely no seat belt on pad of wheelchair pad.
>> not mentioned in the info given...weirdThanks to Dave for the info
ZYX
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Originally posted by TIB1224Y:
The engine is mounted to the left of the vehicle (near-side). The radiator is on the other side (off-side).
MAN (Lion City full low floor models) and Volvo (7700 etc) do such placements as well. For double decks, the Neoplan Centroliner uses this placement.
Other than a side placement, an engine can be mounted transversely as well to accommodate a full low floor setting. This was done on the year 2000 Isuzu Erga (KL-LV834系 フルノンステップ�ス/type B) full non-step bus model (presently discontinued) and is the only few Japanese buses that incorporate this technology. The others include the year 1996 UA Non-step bus series (later the Nissan Spacerunner) F type (FHI bodywork) and the N type (Nishi-nippon Shatai bodywork) KC/KL-UA272/460, CNG and diesel versions.
To differentiate a low floor bus and a low-entry bus, full low floor is used here to show that the bus is step-less along the entire corridor. A Citaro is a full low floor, a OC is a low entry.
well yes, all major bus makers do offer their buses in these types of engine placement positions . this is especially empahsised by the Scania who uses letters to denote engine placement in their models. -
Originally posted by SGCar:
Ok, so would we expect to see it before SBST Wright? I believe the one parked at CnC is a demo right?
Cheers.
Could be a demo. but, Damlier press release seem to hint that unit is a unit one of the 66 we are getting. .
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
Plus Evobus did not have any factories outside europe, if im not wrong. That's due to market demand. Most of Evobus orders came from europe and not asia pacific.
Middle East getting into the scene of things as well. East Europe also. -
To ZYX2005
Sorry if this upsad you....But could you try to save abit of spaces?