Articulated Buses vs Double Deckers
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Actually all SBST buses can run but Thanks to the speed restricter which indirectly dampen the acceleration speed also.
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I think the gearbox ratio of 9171G is tuned to that of VOs. And I must say LOs sound better in that!Originally posted by SBS3625D:Agreed! 9171G is one of those LOs whose ZF gearbox is tuned so tight that it is perpetually in over-ride mode. Shiok. As for the VSO, not so lah, unless you talking about 9888Y. -
That video shows a articulated/double-decker bus hybrid, a very rare type of bus. Not many such buses exist, because while they have very large capacities (larger than many bendy buses and definitely larger than any double-decker), however, they combine every disadvantage of both double-deckers and bendies (hog road space, height restrictions, etc.). Not only that, but thanks to their size, they usually need really large and powerful engines (read: noisy engines) and some kind of special systems on board to prevent all kinds of stability problems (both double-decks and bendies themselves already have centre-of-gravity and longitudinal stability problems, respectively). Most buses of this type are unsuccessful, and the model shown in the video, the Neoplan N138 JumboCrusier (actually a coach), had only 10 of it built (although an 11th similar model was also built).Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Hmm...... those who likes the advantages of a DD as well as a bendy may want to have this thingy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6qwRIg36Gw
Sources:
http://jumbocruiser.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articulated_bus -
Can try out Sv 854 or YIS Feeder bendies eg TIB1114G, TIB1148J
Their engine are powerful but sometime powerful doesn't mean it will accelarate fast
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That time took SBS9108R on Sv 161, the bus was speeding very fast and it overtook a few vehicles.Originally posted by off_service:I think the gearbox ratio of 9171G is tuned to that of VOs. And I must say LOs sound better in that! -
Above 60km/h, on Volvo B10M MKIV DM3500 proven! Highest speed that I took was speedometer at 70km/h, with no alarm etc. Service 80, SBS2780U. Not to forget that speedometers only show 95% of true speed...
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okok la.. tat time was on 190 (artic o.405g hispano type 1) at pie/bke.. then jam for bout 45mins cos of some stupid road works in the evening!!Originally posted by jetabt767400:Above 60km/h, on Volvo B10M MKIV DM3500 proven! Highest speed that I took was speedometer at 70km/h, with no alarm etc. Service 80, SBS2780U. Not to forget that speedometers only show 95% of true speed...
omg wat a time..
then when the bus went on to bke, it was pack so i was standing next to BC.. of course he was late liao la..
knn he was driving 80-90km/hr.. i swear man.. -
Buses that do not have speed limiter
SBS2678H (HG 27)
SBS2694K (HG 27) -
Hmm, u mean wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrr sound? The soundOriginally posted by off_service:I think the gearbox ratio of 9171G is tuned to that of VOs. And I must say LOs sound better in that!
during which the lock-up is engaged? If you are talking about that, i agree. LOs sound better in that sound!
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There's no need for you to stated the rego for God sake!Just say a MKIV On S27 enough!!Originally posted by gorby107:Buses that do not have speed limiter
SBS2678H (HG 27)
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Yeah! If the driver drives the bus up a steep hill (i.e. 179), you will hear everything clearly. When the driver accelerates, you hear the engine growing louder, then you will hear the ZF gearbox start to whine. Then the engine volume will drop when it engages the lock-up, while the ZF whining pitch continues to increase, then both gearbox and engine will drop together when it shifts into 2nd gear!Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Hmm, u mean wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrr sound? The sound
during which the lock-up is engaged? If you are talking about that, i agree. LOs sound better in that sound! 
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Actually many years ago Hong Kong considered ordering Neoplan JumboCrusiers because the population density in HK is very high and HK needs buses with high capacity to cope with the transportation of people. But the JumboCrusier has many problems (as indicated above) and Neoplan recommended the Megashuttle, a 15m 4-axle double-decker... (Neoplan even sent a Megashuttle to HK for trial run!) However, bus companies in HK found the 15m Megashuttle too long, and it was not suitable for the narrow HK streets (plus all the bends and sharp turns and steep slopes...)... In the end, the bus companies in HK ordered the 12m Centroliner from Neoplan. But now, bus companies realise that Neoplan Centroliners are not as reliable as the other models (such as Volvo Olympian and Dennis Trident). Centroliners tend to break down more often and they are more difficult to maintain... (After all, HK bus mechanics are used to British buses - Leyland, Volvo, Dennis, etc. To them, Neoplan is totally new and different.)Originally posted by eX.A.K.R.:That video shows a articulated/double-decker bus hybrid, a very rare type of bus. Not many such buses exist, because while they have very large capacities (larger than many bendy buses and definitely larger than any double-decker), however, they combine every disadvantage of both double-deckers and bendies (hog road space, height restrictions, etc.). Not only that, but thanks to their size, they usually need really large and powerful engines (read: noisy engines) and some kind of special systems on board to prevent all kinds of stability problems (both double-decks and bendies themselves already have centre-of-gravity and longitudinal stability problems, respectively). Most buses of this type are unsuccessful, and the model shown in the video, the Neoplan N138 JumboCrusier (actually a coach), had only 10 of it built (although an 11th similar model was also built).
Sources:
http://jumbocruiser.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articulated_bus
If you visit HK, you'll notice that most of the buses in HK are double-decker. (In fact HK has the highest number of air-con DD in the world. Haha.) Articulated buses are not used in HK because of the demanding road conditions... Also, the traffic jams in HK are terrible and articulated buses will make things worse as they occupy more road spaces. Singapore is lucky to have road conditions suitable for articulated buses (wider, straighter roads). In fact, some of my HK relatives are excited to see articulated buses here in Singapore, because they never see one in HK before! LOL... -
My Sarawak relatives were excited about the DDs, which prompted me to bring them on a sight-seeing tour on 161. And they had the luck to take 9171G which made them even more excited.Originally posted by autumncs:Actually many years ago Hong Kong considered ordering Neoplan JumboCrusiers because the population density in HK is very high and HK needs buses with high capacity to cope with the transportation of people. But the JumboCrusier has many problems (as indicated above) and Neoplan recommended the Megashuttle, a 15m 4-axle double-decker... (Neoplan even sent a Megashuttle to HK for trial run!) However, bus companies in HK found the 15m Megashuttle too long, and it was not suitable for the narrow HK streets (plus all the bends and sharp turns and steep slopes...)... In the end, the bus companies in HK ordered the 12m Centroliner from Neoplan. But now, bus companies realise that Neoplan Centroliners are not as reliable as the other models (such as Volvo Olympian and Dennis Trident). Centroliners tend to break down more often and they are more difficult to maintain... (After all, HK bus mechanics are used to British buses - Leyland, Volvo, Dennis, etc. To them, Neoplan is totally new and different.)
If you visit HK, you'll notice that most of the buses in HK are double-decker. (In fact HK has the highest number of air-con DD in the world. Haha.) Articulated buses are not used in HK because of the demanding road conditions... Also, the traffic jams in HK are terrible and articulated buses will make things worse as they occupy more road spaces. Singapore is lucky to have road conditions suitable for articulated buses (wider, straighter roads). In fact, some of my HK relatives are excited to see articulated buses here in Singapore, because they never see one in HK before! LOL... -
try sitting at the back seat of TIB1192E, you may feel COLD!
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161 buses like 2638Z , 934G , 9035S and 9108R always run like siao on SLE and always use the 2nd lane , it happened before , once i remembered 2638Z cut to the 2nd lane at the expressway & overtook quite a numder of vehicles , maybe these 4 buses above can run at max. 90km/h?
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161 buses like 2638Z , 934G , 9035S and 9108R always run like siao on SLE and always use the 2nd lane , it happened before , once i remembered 2638Z cut to the 2nd lane at the expressway & overtook quite a numder of vehicles , maybe these 4 buses above can run at max. 90km/h?
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SBS2638Z can run until to a max speed of 65km/hOriginally posted by swee_heng:161 buses like 2638Z , 934G , 9035S and 9108R always run like siao on SLE and always use the 2nd lane , it happened before , once i remembered 2638Z cut to the 2nd lane at the expressway & overtook quite a numder of vehicles , maybe these 4 buses above can run at max. 90km/h? not sure for the rest though. -
Originally posted by carbikebus:There's no need for you to stated the rego for God sake!Just say a MKIV On S27 enough!!
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Get your Facts right.. It was due to the fact that the government had a law which prevents them to have Articulated buses in HK.Originally posted by autumncs:Actually many years ago Hong Kong considered ordering Neoplan JumboCrusiers because the population density in HK is very high and HK needs buses with high capacity to cope with the transportation of people. But the JumboCrusier has many problems (as indicated above) and Neoplan recommended the Megashuttle, a 15m 4-axle double-decker... (Neoplan even sent a Megashuttle to HK for trial run!) However, bus companies in HK found the 15m Megashuttle too long, and it was not suitable for the narrow HK streets (plus all the bends and sharp turns and steep slopes...)... In the end, the bus companies in HK ordered the 12m Centroliner from Neoplan. But now, bus companies realise that Neoplan Centroliners are not as reliable as the other models (such as Volvo Olympian and Dennis Trident). Centroliners tend to break down more often and they are more difficult to maintain... (After all, HK bus mechanics are used to British buses - Leyland, Volvo, Dennis, etc. To them, Neoplan is totally new and different.)
If you visit HK, you'll notice that most of the buses in HK are double-decker. (In fact HK has the highest number of air-con DD in the world. Haha.) Articulated buses are not used in HK because of the demanding road conditions... Also, the traffic jams in HK are terrible and articulated buses will make things worse as they occupy more road spaces. Singapore is lucky to have road conditions suitable for articulated buses (wider, straighter roads). In fact, some of my HK relatives are excited to see articulated buses here in Singapore, because they never see one in HK before! LOL... -
Anyway,I still prefer Superbuses for citybuses while semi-decker coaches for luxury touring
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Originally posted by manjieass:
I wonder how that experince felt like. I mean, bendy buses at this kind of speeds?
okok la.. tat time was on 190 (artic o.405g hispano type 1) at pie/bke.. then jam for bout 45mins cos of some stupid road works [b]in the evening!!
omg wat a time..
then when the bus went on to bke, it was pack so i was standing next to BC.. of course he was late liao la..
knn he was driving 80-90km/hr.. i swear man..[/b]
This is like... hyper drive or something...