Team Talk
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Yup, I think it was quite fruitful. Main thing was that we had a chance to practice on short passes and off the ball running. Such sessions will definitely help us improve our team play.
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Short passes is definitely good but I believe we need some time practice our long passes as well. I think the main reason why we always concentrated in the left is because there isn't any long pass to switch play. Once the ball landed on the left side and naturally our mid fielders and defence will move closer to support. This might pose a thread to us if our opponent can easily switch play.
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Good to hear that you guys had some fruitful training session despite the cancellation of the game.
I certainly hope that we will be able to get a better and bigger home ground as I feel that it limits our wing play with the ball going out so quickly.
Anyway, expect some changes on our side for this Sun's game.
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/me drooling!!~Originally posted by kai28:we had quite a decent session yesterday...think the guys enjoyed it too...but would have been much better if we had the whole team down -
good to c u'r back home boss....Originally posted by Robin.G:Good to hear that you guys had some fruitful training session despite the cancellation of the game.
I certainly hope that we will be able to get a better and bigger home ground as I feel that it limits our wing play with the ball going out so quickly.
Anyway, expect some changes on our side for this Sun's game.
missed u in training although this particular red-haired punk tried to fill in ur shoes by consistently encouraging the players with those infamous chants of "heads up reds!!"... 
anyways, looking forward to sunday..all the live telecasts of champions league, uefa cup n not forgetting s-league( ) games are making me hungry for some action.. -
Tell me about being hungry for action!! Was still wishing somehow that my trip to KL was cancelled at the last minute!
Anyway, changes coming your way this Sun!! Some of you may be playing in new positions/roles (Khai, u included). Shall not say so much now.
In the meantime, I am very mentally burnout for my exam preparation which is taking place next week. Will be going all out to play this weekend to cool off.
See ya guys on Sun and I hope all of you can be on time. Have been observing some slacking from a few players in terms of punctuality.
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Originally posted by Robin.G:
i noe wat u mean man..me and alvin chia have been spending the last couple of weeks in sch studying for exams too..totally burnt out already...looking forward to sunday to relieve all the tension
[b]Tell me about being hungry for action!! Was still wishing somehow that my trip to KL was cancelled at the last minute!
Anyway, changes coming your way this Sun!! Some of you may be playing in new positions/roles (Khai, u included). Shall not say so much now.
In the meantime, I am very mentally burnout for my exam preparation which is taking place next week. Will be going all out to play this weekend to cool off.
See ya guys on Sun and I hope all of you can be on time. Have been observing some slacking from a few players in terms of punctuality. [/b] -
Originally posted by Robin.G:
Just don't take it out on the ref...
[b]In the meantime, I am very mentally burnout for my exam preparation which is taking place next week. Will be going all out to play this weekend to cool off.
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What's with all these talk about studying man? You guys are making me panic!
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My ankles really in very bad shape. Advised to rest. So I think I wouldn't be supporting you guys this Sunday as I thought of taking a short vacation with my wife to Puket. Head up reds! continue our winning run.
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Have fun and take care!!!!
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Good idea to take a rest... hmmm... just don't stress the ankles...Originally posted by Mit:My ankles really in very bad shape. Advised to rest. So I think I wouldn't be supporting you guys this Sunday as I thought of taking a short vacation with my wife to Puket. Head up reds! continue our winning run. 
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Hi mates, thanks for your concern. I have confirmed my flight on Friday morning and will be back on Monday night. Cheers and all the best for this Sun game.
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juz reiterating shadow's pt.... Enjoy ur trip man !!! bon Vayage !!! but remember to take care of the legs yah....dun exert too much from there.. we still need u.
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colin will be out for at least the next 2 weeks...damaged ligaments
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Hope he is going to be ok.
Hmmmm.....let's see whether I can do a "Houliier-Dudek" thingy with Robin-keeper.
Anyway, he has made quite spectacular saves before + with our solid 4 behind. I'm sure we can be equally good. Heads up.[/b] -
Yo robin Personal feeling abt yst match, maybe if khai had play at centre mid. it would have given our midfield a better creativity?? but since he may have a new role as a striker or even as a left mid..i would like to try out centre mid if khai is not there...but anyway khai u like to play centre mid or prefer wings or no preferences?
I got to say that it has not been easy playing as a winger down at our home ground..wouldnt mind to try centre mid .Performances are bad at the wings -
Ah Boon?? Is that you?? Steady lah!
Anyway, my personal view about the match was that we gave our opponents too much space (if that is at all possible in our small field!). Looking at the way they played, they were thriving on space to play passes and looking out for teammates. When we play with teams like these, teams who are better at passing the ball around, we should try to cut off the space. Our opponents were pulling back to the defenders to create more space for themselves, so we could have either pushed up a bit to restrict space to their midfielders, or really sit back in our own half to defend. I don't think we want to do the latter, so the former should have been done instead.
Among other things, I feel that we need to have more specific instructions going into the game. Firstly is what I mentioned above, which is our style of play defensively. Basically what do we do when we do not have the ball? Do we pressure our opponents to get the ball back? Close them down early? Or do we play just sit back in our half and contain our opponents? This can be told before a game or even during a game, but it is important because only if the whole team does the same thing, then will it be effective.
Secondly, is our style of attacking play, in other words, what do we do with the ball? Are we going to play a more direct style (which is what we do)? Or do we want to slow down the attacks with more passes? Of course this can be quite dynamic during the game, just because we decide to play a passing game doesn't mean you don't play a long ball to an open player. However, with the common understanding of a general style of play, we will be able to support each other better with the right type of runs and passes.
Last but not least, I think there should be more specific instructions with the formations that we use. Again, this can be quite dynamic as a lot will depend on our opponents, but with a proper understanding of each others' roles and positions, we will be able to perform better with the increased synergy. If any player has to drift due to our opponents' playing tactics, then it means that we should be switching our tactics too.
The main thing is that there are no right or wrong ways to play the game. More importantly is that we are playing a similiar style, singing to the same tune. With the proper understanding, we will definitely be able to play better as a team. -
Yeah it's me Ah boon
hopefully i can try to contribute more online
from now on
You are right that we give too much space away in midfield the last match.Got to say that our midfielders was not marking the opp at all when the opp player nearest to them doesnt have the ball.Many a times we are guilty of ball watching and trying to covering up spaces only when the opp midfielders recceive the ball.By then play would have been dictacted.A certain level of marking in midfield by all midfielders would make oppenents have a harder time in passing and easing some work load off the defenders.Marking by midfielders in not only during corners and throw in.
Regarding our style offensively, maybe we should have a game plan as to which man to target in attack(russel??)and which playmaker to look out for.This would make passing much easier.For example derrick or khai could keep themselves free on the far left and our team mates could immediately look out for them when starting a attack.
I hope the midfielders could push up a bit more to support the attack and shoulder some responsibilty in scoreing some goals.Thumbs up to jimmy and jeremy in this area.
Preferably, we should actually plan our game plan taking into account our opp's strengths, formation and weakness too.Changes should be make asap if the need arises.If we need to score goals, a defender should be sacrificed for a striker or even to the extent of pushing the defender up.For example when the chips are down, bara could be deployed as a extra striker near the far right penalty box and hopefully use his forte in excecuting the kind of shots he has done previously at hcjc. -
i'm gonna say this again juz this once after which i won't be bothered bringing this up again...
4-4-2 is not for us, for 2 obvious reasons; 1)we dun have the players for it, 2)our style of play does not suit the system.
4-4-2 relies largely (although not totally) on flank play. we need fast, skillful players on both wings who could attack the flanks and put in crosses into the box. the key to a successful 4-4-2 formation however is a pair of good overlapping wingbacks (btw this is a pro's view not mine). the wingbacks need to push up to make up the numbers in attack. players like bara and derrick are more suited in that right/left forward position rather than the conventional winger's role. this will give them the license to cut into the middle and take shots which is wat i noe they are craving for.
with our direct style of play, it is no wonder that our wingers are not getting enough of the ball, let alone send in crosses. juz to recap i only had 5 miserable touches in the first half (bara, this shows it happens on the left as well).
i personally feel that we are more suited for the 4-3-3 formation. i thought we had a good half when we played 4-3-3 in the previous game. i'm surprised we totally gave it up after juz that one game...of course there are certain areas we need to work on but obviously it would take some time for us to adapt rite?? it's been said that with 4-3-3 our centremid is empty, but did anybody notice how empty our centremid was even when we played 4-4-2 in the last game?? i really like the robin-jimmy-boon combi in midfield...i feel boon is under-valued in the team and shld be played in the middle.
as for the last game, to be real honest i was confident i could have caused their defense some problems if only i had continued to be played as a forward as in the previous game. not trying to sound arrogant but when u've been scoring goals it's only natural that ur confidence will be boosted (russ, u shld noe wat i mean).
anyways, juz some of my humble views...btw got a meeting this sat morning and class in the afternoon, dun noe if i can make the game. -
I'm back and sad to see the result. But don't worry, I believe when we settle down, we will perform well.
I totally agreed with what kai's point of view on 4-4-2. We need our left, right midfield to overlap the attacks at the frank and that require high level of fittness. The 2 strikers will stick to our opp last man, waiting to beat off-side track or hold the ball and switch it to the left or right frank or back to the centrs mid to recompose. This is really a fast attacking game which I believe our fittness level can't cope with it. If we want to play this formation, we need to practice more on cross, header and trapping the ball in the air. Just my point of view.
Another thing, trust me, don't miss this chance. You will love the field. But advise not to slide. will have abrasion. -
Originally posted by kai28:
hi Kai,
i'm gonna say this again juz this once after which i won't be bothered bringing this up again...
4-4-2 is not for us, for 2 obvious reasons; [b]1)we dun have the players for it, 2)our style of play does not suit the system.
4-4-2 relies largely (although not totally) on flank play. we need fast, skillful players on both wings who could attack the flanks and put in crosses into the box. the key to a successful 4-4-2 formation however is a pair of good overlapping wingbacks (btw this is a pro's view not mine). the wingbacks need to push up to make up the numbers in attack. players like bara and derrick are more suited in that right/left forward position rather than the conventional winger's role. this will give them the license to cut into the middle and take shots which is wat i noe they are craving for.
with our direct style of play, it is no wonder that our wingers are not getting enough of the ball, let alone send in crosses. juz to recap i only had 5 miserable touches in the first half (bara, this shows it happens on the left as well).
i personally feel that we are more suited for the 4-3-3 formation. i thought we had a good half when we played 4-3-3 in the previous game. i'm surprised we totally gave it up after juz that one game...of course there are certain areas we need to work on but obviously it would take some time for us to adapt rite?? it's been said that with 4-3-3 our centremid is empty, but did anybody notice how empty our centremid was even when we played 4-4-2 in the last game?? i really like the robin-jimmy-boon combi in midfield...i feel boon is under-valued in the team and shld be played in the middle.
as for the last game, to be real honest i was confident i could have caused their defense some problems if only i had continued to be played as a forward as in the previous game. not trying to sound arrogant but when u've been scoring goals it's only natural that ur confidence will be boosted (russ, u shld noe wat i mean).
anyways, juz some of my humble views...btw got a meeting this sat morning and class in the afternoon, dun noe if i can make the game. [/b]
Just would like to comment that at times it depend on how strong or weak our opponents are, that decide our formation of playing. There is never a definite formation we are extremely good at if you might agree with me, which is why I find that it might be good to try out various formation and see how well we can cope with.
As for last Sunday game, that is the 1st time we are playing 4-5-1 formation and I think we did well to hold them who is playing much better than us where their midfield is concerned.
On the other hand, if our opponent is a weaker side, I am sure even when we are playing 4-4-2, we are able to adapt to it as this is what we are applying for most of our games. -
I have to agree that 4-4-2 doesnt really suit our team so far.We have been trying it for many games, but seriously not many a times have our wingers have not been effective due to some reasons, A lack of speed and the the small width of our homeground.Igot to admit that i have been struggling to make even one decent run down the byline.Many a times i am caught falling too deep in trying to mark out the left midfielder.
A 4-3-3 fomation suits our team pretty well in sense that we have left right forwards in bara, kai and derrick.Playing 3 central midfielders would also give everyone a chance to rotate during the game and tighten the marking in midfield.
Though we should plan our plan against our opp, maybe we can start playing well in our 4-3-3 and let the opp worry abt us and alter their own fomation -
robin,russ,bara...
we wld really like to hear from u guys on this since all decisions are made by u 3...